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MugundaMan
#1 Posted : Friday, September 20, 2019 8:04:23 AM
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This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!



This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.
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Spikes
#2 Posted : Friday, September 20, 2019 10:49:11 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!



This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.


I figured out this brutal truth till I came up with one fundamental answer as to why it happens that way.' A' students are best in following instructions seconded by 'B'students who are better in the same front. In order to be successful you MUST break the rules a phenomenon inherent with people who can not spell their names properly.
John 5:17But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
MugundaMan
#3 Posted : Friday, September 20, 2019 11:00:20 AM
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Spikes wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!



This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.


I figured out this brutal truth till I came up with one fundamental answer as to why it happens that way.' A' students are best in following instructions seconded by 'B'students who are better in the same front. In order to be successful you MUST break the rules a phenomenon inherent with people who can not spell their names properly.


Who knew. You are actually smarter than I expected Laughing out loudly
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sparkly
#4 Posted : Friday, September 20, 2019 9:05:41 PM
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MugundaMan wrote:
This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!



This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.



A Students work for C Students, B students work for Government and IDIOTS think they know everything.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Lolest!
#5 Posted : Friday, September 20, 2019 9:16:52 PM
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sparkly wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!



This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.



A Students work for C Students, B students work for Government and IDIOTS think they know everything.

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Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
murchr
#6 Posted : Friday, September 20, 2019 10:02:18 PM
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sparkly wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!



This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.



A Students work for C Students, B students work for Government and IDIOTS think they know everything.


Spot on. Whistle As I walk away
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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quicksand
#7 Posted : Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:19:47 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!



This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them.
These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced.
For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even.
There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change.
The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education
tom_boy
#8 Posted : Saturday, September 21, 2019 2:53:36 PM
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quicksand wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!



This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them.
These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced.
For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even.
There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change.
The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education


100% correct. Could not have put it better myself. Applause
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
MugundaMan
#9 Posted : Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:00:22 PM
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sparkly wrote:
A Students work for C Students, B students work for Government and IDIOTS think they know everything.



Has the self-appointed "tormentor" become the tormented?

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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

I have noticed you have been very angry and resort to matuzi tupu as your defense mechanism lately.
Relax mmy ubloddah, it's not that serious. This is just Wazoo. Sorry for getting on your nerves Laughing out loudly
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MugundaMan
#10 Posted : Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:15:22 PM
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quicksand wrote:

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them.
These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced.
For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even.
There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change.
The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education


You have missed the whole point of the book by a country mile bradza.
What Kiyosaki is stating can be viewed as a good theory which is backed by lots of anecdotal as well as empirical evidence.
His is not to decry academic excellence (which is a good thing that I also support), but to point out the world as it IS not as you would like it to be Laughing out loudly
An A student is a trained robot. Teach him triple integral calculus and he will reproduce what he has learned to the letter giving the illusion of shocking brilliance.
Tell that same A student to manage a simple Java branch or a small mall and he might be stumped. But put him in a room to do engineering calculations for you to build your skyscraper and he is a wizard.
We need A students. To work for C students.
I was an A student as well but I overcame my education. Let that sink in.
Look at the Forbes lists. If the theory that A students are tops even in life were tested on that list alone it would fail miserably as 80% are C students.
Look here in Kenya. Wakina Chandaria, Kirubi, Karume, Devki, Kirima and a long slew of the rest were all C or below students. Have you heard Merali speak. His english is barely intelligible.
Further afield look at kina Dangote..richest in Africa. That should tell you something. Look further afield at the Korean Chaebol billionaires, the Chinese ones, the Japanese ones. The list is endless.
In fact an A student at the top financially is actually an anomaly/quirk of nature.
But we need A students to be our doctors, engineers, pharmacists, rocket scientists etc in the companies the C students own.
Haya si magumu. An A student thinks and acts in robotic fashion because he is a trained intellectual robot. When asked what 1+1 is he regurgitates 2. That's how he passed all his exams with straight As. By obeying laid out orders.
The C student on the other hand is not restrained by such limitations. When you ask him what one plus one is he will ask you why he needs to learn this garbage in the first place when he could be busy making best use of his time building his empire.

Are there billions of C student failures in life? Of course. In fact they are the majority. But that's not what the topic of focus of the book is. It's on those who pull the levers of power in business and heck even politics. Look around you. Even in your own country you have been ruled from day one by C students. Some like the man with the rungu even didn't go to uni yet he ruled y'all for 24 good years Laughing out loudly

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masukuma
#11 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2019 3:49:39 PM
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MugundaMan wrote:
quicksand wrote:

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them.
These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced.
For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even.
There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change.
The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education


You have missed the whole point of the book by a country mile bradza.
What Kiyosaki is stating can be viewed as a good theory which is backed by lots of anecdotal as well as empirical evidence.
His is not to decry academic excellence (which is a good thing that I also support), but to point out the world as it IS not as you would like it to be Laughing out loudly
An A student is a trained robot. Teach him triple integral calculus and he will reproduce what he has learned to the letter giving the illusion of shocking brilliance.
Tell that same A student to manage a simple Java branch or a small mall and he might be stumped. But put him in a room to do engineering calculations for you to build your skyscraper and he is a wizard.
We need A students. To work for C students.
I was an A student as well but I overcame my education. Let that sink in.
Look at the Forbes lists. If the theory that A students are tops even in life were tested on that list alone it would fail miserably as 80% are C students.
Look here in Kenya. Wakina Chandaria, Kirubi, Karume, Devki, Kirima and a long slew of the rest were all C or below students. Have you heard Merali speak. His english is barely intelligible.
Further afield look at kina Dangote..richest in Africa. That should tell you something. Look further afield at the Korean Chaebol billionaires, the Chinese ones, the Japanese ones. The list is endless.
In fact an A student at the top financially is actually an anomaly/quirk of nature.
But we need A students to be our doctors, engineers, pharmacists, rocket scientists etc in the companies the C students own.
Haya si magumu. An A student thinks and acts in robotic fashion because he is a trained intellectual robot. When asked what 1+1 is he regurgitates 2. That's how he passed all his exams with straight As. By obeying laid out orders.
The C student on the other hand is not restrained by such limitations. When you ask him what one plus one is he will ask you why he needs to learn this garbage in the first place when he could be busy making best use of his time building his empire.

Are there billions of C student failures in life? Of course. In fact they are the majority. But that's not what the topic of focus of the book is. It's on those who pull the levers of power in business and heck even politics. Look around you. Even in your own country you have been ruled from day one by C students. Some like the man with the rungu even didn't go to uni yet he ruled y'all for 24 good years Laughing out loudly



it's all about statistics... A students will rarely go hungry or fail to provide some food for their families. Maybe 1% will be rather poor.
C students lives are hard... few C students will get really rich and hire the A students but most C students will suffer in hardship compared to the A students.
Point... Education is useful... it's insurance. out of all the C students (the millions and millions of them) we dare say that only 2-3 of them ruled us? how can their prowess then be an attribute of "C-ness"?
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MugundaMan
#12 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:48:07 PM
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masukuma wrote:

it's all about statistics... A students will rarely go hungry or fail to provide some food for their families. Maybe 1% will be rather poor.
C students lives are hard... few C students will get really rich and hire the A students but most C students will suffer in hardship compared to the A students.
Point... Education is useful... it's insurance. out of all the C students (the millions and millions of them) we dare say that only 2-3 of them ruled us? how can their prowess then be an attribute of "C-ness"?


@masukuma
Again, you are missing the point.
Let's say you flew into a tiny island nation of 20,000 inhabitants trying to do some research on who controls the levers of power in politics and business there (not the average Joe drone who is able to feed himself - something even E students do otherwise they would not be alive). In your research you found out that;
-An overwhelming majority of all the presidents who had ruled that tiny Island nation were C students
-An overwhelming majority of those who own the major business enterprises on that Island were C students
- Of the top 20 richest people on that Island, 90% of them were C -students

SURELY you cannot argue for this being a bizarre coincidence and against a relationship where at that level, the numbers overwhelmingly correlate with the "C-ness" of said students.

The fact that you can point to 18,000 other C and below students on the Island doing extremely terribly and maybe 1000 A students living humdrum existences serving the C students at the top does not invalidate the FACT that at the very top, said A students overwhelmingly work for the C students who lord over them.

Let me me give you the example of the cannibal Nguema in Equatorial Guinea. He was probably an E student but he has ruled with an iron grip because he has ruthless instincts rather than genteel academic robot like behaviours common to A students. Angalia Jacob Zuma. The man could not even count yet was prezzy over a huge middle class of A students doing boring jobs and feeding their families. Angalia pia George Dubya. Thick as beans but tops in the most powerful country in the world. Drunkard Yeltsin, Mlevi Sarkozy...The list is endless my mbradza. A students up in those top echelons are an ANOMALY and this is FACT.





The world is ruled by C students my mbuloddah!








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sparkly
#13 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 11:12:21 AM
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Most people assume that rating in math and logic is the only measure of intelligence and the only way to score students.

In reality there are 9 types of intelligence (see below). Most succesful people in their areas of specializations are A students in their respective intelligences.

Mariga and Oliech may be able to count up to 100 but their loco-motor skills are in the top percentile.

Njenga Karume may not have had a PHD but he was the driving force behind Kibaki's political sucess, able to negotiate and broker power among Kibaki's friends and foes. His interpersonal skills were incredible.

Juacali may not have a university degree but challenge him to a rap battle!

Bottomline is that mediocrity cannot rise people to the top or keep them there. Whoever rises to the top in whichever field is an A student at his game.

Life is short. Live passionately.
aemathenge
#14 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 11:35:19 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Most people assume that rating in math and logic is the only measure of intelligence and the only way to score students.

In reality there are 9 types of intelligence (see below). Most succesful people in their areas of specializations are A students in their respective intelligences.

Mariga and Oliech may be able to count up to 100 but their loco-motor skills are in the top percentile.

Njenga Karume may not have had a PHD but he was the driving force behind Kibaki's political sucess, able to negotiate and broker power among Kibaki's friends and foes. His interpersonal skills were incredible.

Juacali may not have a university degree but challenge him to a rap battle!

Bottomline is that mediocrity cannot rise people to the top or keep them there. Whoever rises to the top in whichever field is an A student at his game.



How comes The Virtual Republic of Wazua does not have a "like" or "love" button? How comes?
MugundaMan
#15 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 12:00:35 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Most people assume that rating in math and logic is the only measure of intelligence and the only way to score students.

In reality there are 9 types of intelligence (see below). Most succesful people in their areas of specializations are A students in their respective intelligences.

Mariga and Oliech may be able to count up to 100 but their loco-motor skills are in the top percentile.

Njenga Karume may not have had a PHD but he was the driving force behind Kibaki's political sucess, able to negotiate and broker power among Kibaki's friends and foes. His interpersonal skills were incredible.

Juacali may not have a university degree but challenge him to a rap battle!

Bottomline is that mediocrity cannot rise people to the top or keep them there. Whoever rises to the top in whichever field is an A student at his game.




Sparkles,
But who lied to you that an A-student in a university or school is tested on an exam on psycho-motor skills?
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You like going on funny tangents. Stick to topic (even if your tanget supports my point). There are no schools that give grades for interpersonal skills smile. We again are talking about the REAL WORLD here and not the world as you would like it to be.
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AlphDoti
#16 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 12:31:02 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Most people assume that rating in math and logic is the only measure of intelligence and the only way to score students.

In reality there are 9 types of intelligence (see below). Most succesful people in their areas of specializations are A students in their respective intelligences.

Mariga and Oliech may be able to count up to 100 but their loco-motor skills are in the top percentile.

Njenga Karume may not have had a PHD but he was the driving force behind Kibaki's political sucess, able to negotiate and broker power among Kibaki's friends and foes. His interpersonal skills were incredible.

Juacali may not have a university degree but challenge him to a rap battle!

Bottomline is that mediocrity cannot rise people to the top or keep them there. Whoever rises to the top in whichever field is an A student at his game.


How comes The Virtual Republic of Wazua does not have a "like" or "love" button? How comes?

You are right. This is one of those which deserves a "Like"!
aemathenge
#17 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 12:46:54 PM
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Copy And Paste Extract. Please do not attack the messenger.


Quote:
Let me start by saying that I'm a 26-year-old male with a college degree in the computer sciences.

I'm fully employed and live comfortably on my salary.

That being said, I have absolutely no idea who this book was written for but it's so incredibly out of touch that I enabled the Wi-Fi on my tablet in Starbucks just to write this reaction.

The author hasn't the faintest grasp of what normal people need to go through just to survive in this day and age.

The references he makes and advice he gives are borderline dangerous to someone not well versed in the risks and realities of investing and quite frankly, I found much of it misleading.

This book serves to give you a "feel good" sensation about investing and personal wealth growth without taking into account that most people's lives weren't/are nowhere near as enriched and fortunate as the author’s and abdicates much of the fiscal responsibility necessary to achieve successful financial results.

Reality check: most people don't have extra money to invest in "wealth-building" (i.e. buying a house, starting a business, etc.)

Also, this author clearly states that his dad had his own private company from which he could learn all of this from--that's great, most people who read this book won't and the lessons he leverages won't resonate with most.

Also, what is with the political under and overtones?

I feel like I'm reading a personal page of the Trump manifesto (I didn't see this in his first book, what's changed?)

The advice in this book actively undermines reasonable and safe financial dogmas (saving is for losers? Give me a break!) which for many of us can and are the only means to financial independence given the current state of the economy (which I may add is in the state that it is right now thanks to some of the same risky principles that this author and his generation advocates for).

In conclusion, this book gives bad if not downright dangerous advice for investing as well as personal wealth growth and the author lacks a sufficient grasp of reality as it is for millions of people struggling to get by.

Unless you already have plenty of money to invest and play with, try another book.


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AlphDoti
#18 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 1:10:10 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
quicksand wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!



This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them.
These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced.
For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even.
There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change.
The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education

100% correct. Could not have put it better myself. Applause

@quicksand has put it right. The rest are just being simplistic. They pick handful D students, like Sonko or Joho and portray as though they represent the 70% and 65% of KCSE Students who scored D+ in 2017 and 2018 respectively for example. We are talking about 900,000 Kenyan Youth minus two or three who will succeed!
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#19 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 1:21:15 PM
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Let me start by saying that I'm a 26-year-old male with a college degree in the computer sciences.

I'm fully employed and live comfortably on my salary.

That being said, I have absolutely no idea who this book was written for but it's so incredibly out of touch that I enabled the Wi-Fi on my tablet in Starbucks just to write this reaction.

The author hasn't the faintest grasp of what normal people need to go through just to survive in this day and age.

The references he makes and advice he gives are borderline dangerous to someone not well versed in the risks and realities of investing and quite frankly, I found much of it misleading.

This book serves to give you a "feel good" sensation about investing and personal wealth growth without taking into account that most people's lives weren't/are nowhere near as enriched and fortunate as the author’s and abdicates much of the fiscal responsibility necessary to achieve successful financial results.

Reality check: most people don't have extra money to invest in "wealth-building" (i.e. buying a house, starting a business, etc.)

Also, this author clearly states that his dad had his own private company from which he could learn all of this from--that's great, most people who read this book won't and the lessons he leverages won't resonate with most.

Also, what is with the political under and overtones?

I feel like I'm reading a personal page of the Trump manifesto (I didn't see this in his first book, what's changed?)

The advice in this book actively undermines reasonable and safe financial dogmas (saving is for losers? Give me a break!) which for many of us can and are the only means to financial independence given the current state of the economy (which I may add is in the state that it is right now thanks to some of the same risky principles that this author and his generation advocates for).

In conclusion, this book gives bad if not downright dangerous advice for investing as well as personal wealth growth and the author lacks a sufficient grasp of reality as it is for millions of people struggling to get by.

Unless you already have plenty of money to invest and play with, try another book.


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Anonymous (hopefully he isn't you) is definitely an A-student Laughing out loudly
Right down to the robotic "it is impossible" thinking.
Did I hear him say "most A-students do not have extra money to invest in wealth building on starting a business."
And this is the same chap typing on a 100k tablet adjusting wi-fi to read the book better Laughing out loudly
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#20 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 1:26:14 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:

@quicksand has put it right. The rest are just being simplistic. They pick handful D students, like Sonko or Joho and portray as though they represent the 70% and 65% of KCSE Students who scored D+ in 2017 and 2018 respectively for example. We are talking about 900,000 Kenyan Youth minus two or three who will succeed!


But what about at the top though?smile
This is the elephant in the room that you guys do not want to tackle.
If an A student is so smart, how come the intellectual cream is underrepresented at the topmost of the top? Why do Harvard MBAs who are so smart end up working for barely literates?
Why are the C (and maybe even D and E) students over-represented at the top levels of business and politics?
Answer me that and then maybe I can take you guys seriously. Pointing to the bottom tells us nothing and isn't even the subject matter of the book.
I know this book is breaking a lot of hearts but the truth hurts and we cannot avoid it Laughing out loudly
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