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Islam - The Beauty
Coolbull
#1 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2019 1:52:21 PM
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I just came across this post, http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=28870 and five years down the line I have come to see the beauty of Islam.

What a beautiful people. I took a course on Muslim Ministry and felt the need to study Islam from a Muslim perspective and wah...so much lies have been peddled by Christian leaders.

So much to write about but from experience;

Doing business with a Muslim you are 99% sure of getting your share of profit/proceeds.

Also when it comes to a people who are content and at peace and very calm in threatening situations look no further - our Muslim brethren.

Hospitality - you'll never find them 'hiding food'. One told me chakula ni mavi as in si kitu ya kunyima mtu.


And by the way, Al Shabab, ISIS, etc has nothing to do with Islam. These are CIA criminal outfits just like Mungiki.

Naona nikisema Shahada....Inshallah








AlphDoti
#2 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2019 3:00:34 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 5,964
Location: Kenya
Coolbull wrote:
I just came across this post, http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=28870 and five years down the line I have come to see the beauty of Islam.

What a beautiful people. I took a course on Muslim Ministry and felt the need to study Islam from a Muslim perspective and wah...so much lies have been peddled by Christian leaders.

So much to write about but from experience;

Doing business with a Muslim you are 99% sure of getting your share of profit/proceeds.

Also when it comes to a people who are content and at peace and very calm in threatening situations look no further - our Muslim brethren.

Hospitality - you'll never find them 'hiding food'. One told me chakula ni mavi as in si kitu ya kunyima mtu.


And by the way, Al Shabab, ISIS, etc has nothing to do with Islam. These are CIA criminal outfits just like Mungiki.

Naona nikisema Shahada....Inshallah

@coolbul, you are right. Islam is the most misunderstood religion. Partly due to ignorant Muslims. Largely because of the biased media who portray Islam negatively, intentionally. As a result the person who has not studied Islam would get the wrong picture.

Otherwise, we can talk of so, so much good in Islam, we cannot exhaust. And if you would take the shahadah, you would be doing yourself all good because you would be returning back to the religion of Ibrahim who was neither a Christian nor a Jew and yet God loved him so much.

Kudos!
Coolbull
#3 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2019 3:17:07 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
I just came across this post, http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=28870 and five years down the line I have come to see the beauty of Islam.

What a beautiful people. I took a course on Muslim Ministry and felt the need to study Islam from a Muslim perspective and wah...so much lies have been peddled by Christian leaders.

So much to write about but from experience;

Doing business with a Muslim you are 99% sure of getting your share of profit/proceeds.

Also when it comes to a people who are content and at peace and very calm in threatening situations look no further - our Muslim brethren.

Hospitality - you'll never find them 'hiding food'. One told me chakula ni mavi as in si kitu ya kunyima mtu.


And by the way, Al Shabab, ISIS, etc has nothing to do with Islam. These are CIA criminal outfits just like Mungiki.

Naona nikisema Shahada....Inshallah

@coolbul, you are right. Islam is the most misunderstood religion. Partly due to ignorant Muslims. Largely because of the biased media who portray Islam negatively, intentionally. As a result the person who has not studied Islam would get the wrong picture.

Otherwise, we can talk of so, so much good in Islam, we cannot exhaust. And if you would take the shahadah, you would be doing yourself all good because you would be returning back to the religion of Ibrahim who was neither a Christian nor a Jew and yet God loved him so much.

Kudos!


You're very right especially on ignorant Muslims. Some I have had to pick truths from the Koran or quote a Muslim scholar and show them.

The media is a case of who pays the piper.
All in all, I seem so captivated as I turn the pages of the Holy Koran (on my phone). My eyes kinda pop out....you mean this is written.

Yeah, Abraham/Ibrahim was neither Jew nor Christian yet God loved him.

The only challenge so far is learning Arabic.....how necessary is it?
AlphDoti
#4 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2019 3:24:21 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
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Coolbull wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
I just came across this post, http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=28870 and five years down the line I have come to see the beauty of Islam.

What a beautiful people. I took a course on Muslim Ministry and felt the need to study Islam from a Muslim perspective and wah...so much lies have been peddled by Christian leaders.

So much to write about but from experience;

Doing business with a Muslim you are 99% sure of getting your share of profit/proceeds.

Also when it comes to a people who are content and at peace and very calm in threatening situations look no further - our Muslim brethren.

Hospitality - you'll never find them 'hiding food'. One told me chakula ni mavi as in si kitu ya kunyima mtu.

And by the way, Al Shabab, ISIS, etc has nothing to do with Islam. These are CIA criminal outfits just like Mungiki.

Naona nikisema Shahada....Inshallah

@coolbul, you are right. Islam is the most misunderstood religion. Partly due to ignorant Muslims. Largely because of the biased media who portray Islam negatively, intentionally. As a result the person who has not studied Islam would get the wrong picture.

Otherwise, we can talk of so, so much good in Islam, we cannot exhaust. And if you would take the shahadah, you would be doing yourself all good because you would be returning back to the religion of Ibrahim who was neither a Christian nor a Jew and yet God loved him so much.

Kudos!

You're very right especially on ignorant Muslims. Some I have had to pick truths from the Koran or quote a Muslim scholar and show them.

The media is a case of who pays the piper.
All in all, I seem so captivated as I turn the pages of the Holy Koran (on my phone). My eyes kinda pop out....you mean this is written.

Yeah, Abraham/Ibrahim was neither Jew nor Christian yet God loved him.

The only challenge so far is learning Arabic.....how necessary is it?

It is not necessary to learn Arabic, but if you can, then the better because some words have no direct translation into English and it looses the flavour during translation. In the meantime the translation is ok. Internet is very dangerous as it is full of imposers websites who prey on the innocent. Better the hardcopy Quran translation for reference. If you get hold of the book of hadiths, Sahih Bukhari for example, you will enjoy reading the stories of those people how amazing they were.
Nandwa
#5 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2019 3:43:47 PM
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Not many have much knowledge about Hinduism or Buddhism.

However these religions don't need to sell themselves as fountains of peace.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
MatataMingi
#6 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2019 3:44:40 PM
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I hate religious threads. They don,t lead anywhere. Everyone has their own ingrained belief which they cannot change.

Anyway, as Coolbull asked the question below

Quote:
The only challenge so far is learning Arabic.....how necessary is it? Unquote

Learning Arabic is not necessary. I think.
Their are over a BILLION Muslims in the world. A very small % is from Arab speaking countries.
The majority are from countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Africa etc.
These Muslims don't know Arabic.
masukuma
#7 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2019 3:49:08 PM
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Nandwa wrote:
Not many have much knowledge about Hinduism or Buddhism.

However these religions don't need to sell themselves as fountains of peace.

An interesting observation is that most monotheistic non-ethnic religions are always out on the prowl to proselytise people. When was the last time you heard a hindu guy encourage you to believe what he/she does?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Nandwa
#8 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2019 3:56:15 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
Not many have much knowledge about Hinduism or Buddhism.

However these religions don't need to sell themselves as fountains of peace.

An interesting observation is that most monotheistic non-ethnic religions are always out on the prowl to proselytise people. When was the last time you heard a hindu guy encourage you to believe what he/she does?

Sure, they are the least likely to engage in religion inspired violence.

Not so elsewhere
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
Coolbull
#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:57:54 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
I just came across this post, http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=28870 and five years down the line I have come to see the beauty of Islam.

What a beautiful people. I took a course on Muslim Ministry and felt the need to study Islam from a Muslim perspective and wah...so much lies have been peddled by Christian leaders.

So much to write about but from experience;

Doing business with a Muslim you are 99% sure of getting your share of profit/proceeds.

Also when it comes to a people who are content and at peace and very calm in threatening situations look no further - our Muslim brethren.

Hospitality - you'll never find them 'hiding food'. One told me chakula ni mavi as in si kitu ya kunyima mtu.

And by the way, Al Shabab, ISIS, etc has nothing to do with Islam. These are CIA criminal outfits just like Mungiki.

Naona nikisema Shahada....Inshallah

@coolbul, you are right. Islam is the most misunderstood religion. Partly due to ignorant Muslims. Largely because of the biased media who portray Islam negatively, intentionally. As a result the person who has not studied Islam would get the wrong picture.

Otherwise, we can talk of so, so much good in Islam, we cannot exhaust. And if you would take the shahadah, you would be doing yourself all good because you would be returning back to the religion of Ibrahim who was neither a Christian nor a Jew and yet God loved him so much.

Kudos!

You're very right especially on ignorant Muslims. Some I have had to pick truths from the Koran or quote a Muslim scholar and show them.

The media is a case of who pays the piper.
All in all, I seem so captivated as I turn the pages of the Holy Koran (on my phone). My eyes kinda pop out....you mean this is written.

Yeah, Abraham/Ibrahim was neither Jew nor Christian yet God loved him.

The only challenge so far is learning Arabic.....how necessary is it?

It is not necessary to learn Arabic, but if you can, then the better because some words have no direct translation into English and it looses the flavour during translation. In the meantime the translation is ok. Internet is very dangerous as it is full of imposers websites who prey on the innocent. Better the hardcopy Quran translation for reference. If you get hold of the book of hadiths, Sahih Bukhari for example, you will enjoy reading the stories of those people how amazing they were.


I guess the hadiths are in English? Where can get them? Jamia Bookshop?
hardwood
#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:04:14 AM
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Even our African traditional religions were very honourable and ensured very cohesive societies. The religion of the arabs (islam) is no superior to our African traditional religions.
Ecclesiastes 9:7 So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this.
AlphDoti
#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:21:21 PM
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@Nandwa and @hardwood, if you do your homework, you realize that religions of the world in to two major groups: Anim religion and semitic religion. Among the Anim religion include: Budhism, Hinduism etc. Among the semitic religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam. So while seeking spiritual guidance, you have to start high level and narrow in to the detail. Now we are at a point where one has filtered out Anim, he does not want to worship animals, he does not want to worship images etc etc. Now we are looking at at the Semetic religions.

As far as peace is concern, it depends whom you are consulting. Of course if you are student of the media, then you have the misconception. If you want to know, consult the authentic books of that religion. That way you can have an objective view.
AlphDoti
#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:28:54 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Even our African traditional religions were very honourable and ensured very cohesive societies. The religion of the arabs (islam) is no superior to our African traditional religions.

Islam is beautiful. Islam is universal. And it does not clash with good teachings of the traditional cultures. But you can find some customs and traditions that go against Islam.
AlphDoti
#13 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:46:59 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
Not many have much knowledge about Hinduism or Buddhism.

However these religions don't need to sell themselves as fountains of peace.

An interesting observation is that most monotheistic non-ethnic religions are always out on the prowl to proselytise people. When was the last time you heard a hindu guy encourage you to believe what he/she does?

@masukuma, have you ever seen a nyeuthi Hindu? Have you seen nyeuthi Jewish?
masukuma
#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2019 7:34:54 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
Not many have much knowledge about Hinduism or Buddhism.

However these religions don't need to sell themselves as fountains of peace.

An interesting observation is that most monotheistic non-ethnic religions are always out on the prowl to proselytise people. When was the last time you heard a hindu guy encourage you to believe what he/she does?

@masukuma, have you ever seen a nyeuthi Hindu? Have you seen nyeuthi Jewish?

That’s not the question I asked... I asked - when was the last time you heard a Hindu encourage you to believe what he/she does? Umeambiwa na wangapi?

Secondly- your classification of religions is wrong. Yes - there are animist beliefs (no two animist beliefs are the same) - some believe in ancestors , there are polytheistic religions like the Roman, Greek, Hindu. There are religions that have just ancestors and persons who went before you. There are monotheistic religions like Christianity, Islam, Judaism and those random middle eastern religions like Samaritans, Yazidis. Buddhism is not a religion with a “god” per se. many atheists practice Buddhism.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Njunge
#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:55:32 PM
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Why would I hawk my religion?
Angelica _ann
#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:48:23 PM
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There is no beauty in religion. Religion advances purity in human beings that can never be achieved, therefore a falacy.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
AlphDoti
#17 Posted : Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:20:15 AM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
Not many have much knowledge about Hinduism or Buddhism.

However these religions don't need to sell themselves as fountains of peace.

An interesting observation is that most monotheistic non-ethnic religions are always out on the prowl to proselytise people. When was the last time you heard a hindu guy encourage you to believe what he/she does?

@masukuma, have you ever seen a nyeuthi Hindu? Have you seen nyeuthi Jewish?

That’s not the question I asked... I asked - when was the last time you heard a Hindu encourage you to believe what he/she does? Umeambiwa na wangapi?

Secondly- your classification of religions is wrong. Yes - there are animist beliefs (no two animist beliefs are the same) - some believe in ancestors , there are polytheistic religions like the Roman, Greek, Hindu. There are religions that have just ancestors and persons who went before you. There are monotheistic religions like Christianity, Islam, Judaism and those random middle eastern religions like Samaritans, Yazidis. Buddhism is not a religion with a “god” per se. many atheists practice Buddhism.

Thank you for expounding on the classification: Animist, polytheistic, monotheistic etc etc. I never meant the two were the only ones. Assuming we have narrowed in to the Monotheistic religions, which I called semetic, this is the focus now.

According to Islam, the three religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam they have a common origin. And we in Islam we do not really consider these three as different. According to Muslim belief there is no such thing as Judaism, and there is no such thing as Christianity, we term them all Islam, meaning the teaching of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them) was Islam. And we consider all of them Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were as Muslims. So what it means is that the teaching of these three great personalities, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad was one message and these terms Judaism and Christianity did not exist in the lifetime of the people who are supposed to have propounded the faith. So for example, if Moses was alive today and we asked him "what is your religion"... he would not answer that my religion is Judaism because this is the term which Moses never heard. This word Judaism is not in the old Testament, it is not in Torah, or Talmud... It is not to be found anywhere. But we expect Moses to say my religion is the religion of total submission to Almighty God, one word for this is Islam. Similarly, for Christianity, the same principle applies. Jesus Christ in his life time he did not hear the word Christianity, nor did he say I am a Christian. If Jesus was here, in is second coming, and if we asked him "O Jesus, what is your religion"... I do not expect him to answer "Christianity" because if he did, we might have to ask him what church do you belong? Is it Roman Catholic? Are Seventh Day Adventist, or is it Jehovah's witness? What Christianity do you belong to? So in other words, we expect Jesus to say that my religion is the religion of total submission to God's Will, and one word for that in Arabic is Islam.
masukuma
#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 26, 2019 1:15:28 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
Not many have much knowledge about Hinduism or Buddhism.

However these religions don't need to sell themselves as fountains of peace.

An interesting observation is that most monotheistic non-ethnic religions are always out on the prowl to proselytise people. When was the last time you heard a hindu guy encourage you to believe what he/she does?

@masukuma, have you ever seen a nyeuthi Hindu? Have you seen nyeuthi Jewish?

That’s not the question I asked... I asked - when was the last time you heard a Hindu encourage you to believe what he/she does? Umeambiwa na wangapi?

Secondly- your classification of religions is wrong. Yes - there are animist beliefs (no two animist beliefs are the same) - some believe in ancestors , there are polytheistic religions like the Roman, Greek, Hindu. There are religions that have just ancestors and persons who went before you. There are monotheistic religions like Christianity, Islam, Judaism and those random middle eastern religions like Samaritans, Yazidis. Buddhism is not a religion with a “god” per se. many atheists practice Buddhism.

Thank you for expounding on the classification: Animist, polytheistic, monotheistic etc etc. I never meant the two were the only ones. Assuming we have narrowed in to the Monotheistic religions, which I called semetic, this is the focus now.

According to Islam, the three religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam they have a common origin. And we in Islam we do not really consider these three as different. According to Muslim belief there is no such thing as Judaism, and there is no such thing as Christianity, we term them all Islam, meaning the teaching of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them) was Islam. And we consider all of them Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were as Muslims. So what it means is that the teaching of these three great personalities, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad was one message and these terms Judaism and Christianity did not exist in the lifetime of the people who are supposed to have propounded the faith. So for example, if Moses was alive today and we asked him "what is your religion"... he would not answer that my religion is Judaism because this is the term which Moses never heard. This word Judaism is not in the old Testament, it is not in Torah, or Talmud... It is not to be found anywhere. But we expect Moses to say my religion is the religion of total submission to Almighty God, one word for this is Islam. Similarly, for Christianity, the same principle applies. Jesus Christ in his life time he did not hear the word Christianity, nor did he say I am a Christian. If Jesus was here, in is second coming, and if we asked him "O Jesus, what is your religion"... I do not expect him to answer "Christianity" because if he did, we might have to ask him what church do you belong? Is it Roman Catholic? Are Seventh Day Adventist, or is it Jehovah's witness? What Christianity do you belong to? So in other words, we expect Jesus to say that my religion is the religion of total submission to God's Will, and one word for that in Arabic is Islam.

This is quite unlikely. I don't think I came across the term "religion" in the old testament and you will need to explain what it is to him and he would be surprised about this concept! His beliefs were the beliefs of his people. His God was the God of his people - the house of Israel... not a shared God. No other people could worship this God. Much later the Samaritans had their own religion. very similar to this thing we call Judaism and they had their own beliefs and worship places. There are more monotheistic religions than just the 3.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
AlphDoti
#19 Posted : Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:29:17 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
Not many have much knowledge about Hinduism or Buddhism.

However these religions don't need to sell themselves as fountains of peace.

An interesting observation is that most monotheistic non-ethnic religions are always out on the prowl to proselytise people. When was the last time you heard a hindu guy encourage you to believe what he/she does?

@masukuma, have you ever seen a nyeuthi Hindu? Have you seen nyeuthi Jewish?

That’s not the question I asked... I asked - when was the last time you heard a Hindu encourage you to believe what he/she does? Umeambiwa na wangapi?

Secondly- your classification of religions is wrong. Yes - there are animist beliefs (no two animist beliefs are the same) - some believe in ancestors , there are polytheistic religions like the Roman, Greek, Hindu. There are religions that have just ancestors and persons who went before you. There are monotheistic religions like Christianity, Islam, Judaism and those random middle eastern religions like Samaritans, Yazidis. Buddhism is not a religion with a “god” per se. many atheists practice Buddhism.

Thank you for expounding on the classification: Animist, polytheistic, monotheistic etc etc. I never meant the two were the only ones. Assuming we have narrowed in to the Monotheistic religions, which I called semetic, this is the focus now.

According to Islam, the three religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam they have a common origin. And we in Islam we do not really consider these three as different. According to Muslim belief there is no such thing as Judaism, and there is no such thing as Christianity, we term them all Islam, meaning the teaching of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them) was Islam. And we consider all of them Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were as Muslims. So what it means is that the teaching of these three great personalities, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad was one message and these terms Judaism and Christianity did not exist in the lifetime of the people who are supposed to have propounded the faith. So for example, if Moses was alive today and we asked him "what is your religion"... he would not answer that my religion is Judaism because this is the term which Moses never heard. This word Judaism is not in the old Testament, it is not in Torah, or Talmud... It is not to be found anywhere. But we expect Moses to say my religion is the religion of total submission to Almighty God, one word for this is Islam. Similarly, for Christianity, the same principle applies. Jesus Christ in his life time he did not hear the word Christianity, nor did he say I am a Christian. If Jesus was here, in is second coming, and if we asked him "O Jesus, what is your religion"... I do not expect him to answer "Christianity" because if he did, we might have to ask him what church do you belong? Is it Roman Catholic? Are Seventh Day Adventist, or is it Jehovah's witness? What Christianity do you belong to? So in other words, we expect Jesus to say that my religion is the religion of total submission to God's Will, and one word for that in Arabic is Islam.

This is quite unlikely. I don't think I came across the term "religion" in the old testament and you will need to explain what it is to him and he would be surprised about this concept! His beliefs were the beliefs of his people. His God was the God of his people - the house of Israel... not a shared God. No other people could worship this God. Much later the Samaritans had their own religion. very similar to this thing we call Judaism and they had their own beliefs and worship places. There are more monotheistic religions than just the 3.

Thank you for giving another name for religion. You can substitute that with belief.

Thank you mentioning the word monotheistic (monotheism). In the fundamentals of these monotheistic beliefs, there is no difference as taught by the prophets Moses, Jesus and Muhammad pbut. There is no separate God for Moses and separate God for Jesus, there is no separate gGod for Muhammad... there is not separate God for an Indian and a separate God for Nyeuthis and separate God for Chinese... Almighty God is one, the Creator of everything in heaven and earth. This is teachings of all of the prophets. They all taught that we shall not worship any other god but Almighty God alone. We submit. And one word for that is aslam, Islam.
masukuma
#20 Posted : Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:03:51 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
Not many have much knowledge about Hinduism or Buddhism.

However these religions don't need to sell themselves as fountains of peace.

An interesting observation is that most monotheistic non-ethnic religions are always out on the prowl to proselytise people. When was the last time you heard a hindu guy encourage you to believe what he/she does?

@masukuma, have you ever seen a nyeuthi Hindu? Have you seen nyeuthi Jewish?

That’s not the question I asked... I asked - when was the last time you heard a Hindu encourage you to believe what he/she does? Umeambiwa na wangapi?

Secondly- your classification of religions is wrong. Yes - there are animist beliefs (no two animist beliefs are the same) - some believe in ancestors , there are polytheistic religions like the Roman, Greek, Hindu. There are religions that have just ancestors and persons who went before you. There are monotheistic religions like Christianity, Islam, Judaism and those random middle eastern religions like Samaritans, Yazidis. Buddhism is not a religion with a “god” per se. many atheists practice Buddhism.

Thank you for expounding on the classification: Animist, polytheistic, monotheistic etc etc. I never meant the two were the only ones. Assuming we have narrowed in to the Monotheistic religions, which I called semetic, this is the focus now.

According to Islam, the three religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam they have a common origin. And we in Islam we do not really consider these three as different. According to Muslim belief there is no such thing as Judaism, and there is no such thing as Christianity, we term them all Islam, meaning the teaching of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them) was Islam. And we consider all of them Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were as Muslims. So what it means is that the teaching of these three great personalities, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad was one message and these terms Judaism and Christianity did not exist in the lifetime of the people who are supposed to have propounded the faith. So for example, if Moses was alive today and we asked him "what is your religion"... he would not answer that my religion is Judaism because this is the term which Moses never heard. This word Judaism is not in the old Testament, it is not in Torah, or Talmud... It is not to be found anywhere. But we expect Moses to say my religion is the religion of total submission to Almighty God, one word for this is Islam. Similarly, for Christianity, the same principle applies. Jesus Christ in his life time he did not hear the word Christianity, nor did he say I am a Christian. If Jesus was here, in is second coming, and if we asked him "O Jesus, what is your religion"... I do not expect him to answer "Christianity" because if he did, we might have to ask him what church do you belong? Is it Roman Catholic? Are Seventh Day Adventist, or is it Jehovah's witness? What Christianity do you belong to? So in other words, we expect Jesus to say that my religion is the religion of total submission to God's Will, and one word for that in Arabic is Islam.

This is quite unlikely. I don't think I came across the term "religion" in the old testament and you will need to explain what it is to him and he would be surprised about this concept! His beliefs were the beliefs of his people. His God was the God of his people - the house of Israel... not a shared God. No other people could worship this God. Much later the Samaritans had their own religion. very similar to this thing we call Judaism and they had their own beliefs and worship places. There are more monotheistic religions than just the 3.

Thank you for giving another name for religion. You can substitute that with belief.

Thank you mentioning the word monotheistic (monotheism). In the fundamentals of these monotheistic beliefs,ACCORDING TO ME there is no difference as taught by the prophets Moses, Jesus and Muhammad pbut. There is no separate God for Moses and separate God for Jesus, there is no separate gGod for Muhammad... there is not separate God for an Indian and a separate God for Nyeuthis and separate God for Chinese... Almighty God is one, the Creator of everything in heaven and earth. This is teachings of all of the prophets. They all taught that we shall not worship any other god but Almighty God alone. We submit. And one word for that is aslam, Islam.

I have made a slight change and now I agree with you.
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