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Ken Okoth,MP Kibra..It shall be well
masukuma
#21 Posted : Monday, February 04, 2019 10:21:07 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
My uncle was misdiagnosed for a very long time- ulcers the doctors said it was. I hope he gets better...

On a separate matter - I am surprised that Kenyans have not attributed this to some sort of Karma... if Ruto had the same thing - voices here would be shouting “it’s karma”... “God is punishing him” e.t.c. Now when a person who is good gets it what do we attribute it to? Our health care system... it failed... not God... not Karma... us! Perhaps we should Really see this thing for what it is...
Humans die... cancer is common since most of us are living longer... if we had a better system of health care we would have caught the cancer early (regardless of who has it..”good” or “bad”)... and also accept the fact that we cannot catch all of them (not yet)


It is human nature to speculate on causes of disease or misfortune. When I saw the news the first question that came to my mind was, has it got something to do with growing up in Kibera? The reason for this was that less than 2 years ago a prominent surgeon who had grown up in Kibera died of cancer at the prime of his life:

https://profiles.uonbi.a...di/files/march_2017.pdf

https://www.annalsofafri...nals-of-african-surgery

I wish him well.

but people from all estates in life get cancer... last year cancer was the no. 3 killer after Pneumonia and Malaria!it "beat" HIV/AIDS. Let's face it for what it is... it's a puzzle that we need to unravel - giving it explanations like "Karma" or "God's punishment" or "Mapenzi ya Mungu" neuters our will to unravel it as we already have given it an answer that can neither be validated or invalidated.
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mkenyan
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:34:44 PM
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Joined: 4/1/2009
Posts: 1,713
masukuma wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
My uncle was misdiagnosed for a very long time- ulcers the doctors said it was. I hope he gets better...

On a separate matter - I am surprised that Kenyans have not attributed this to some sort of Karma... if Ruto had the same thing - voices here would be shouting “it’s karma”... “God is punishing him” e.t.c. Now when a person who is good gets it what do we attribute it to? Our health care system... it failed... not God... not Karma... us! Perhaps we should Really see this thing for what it is...
Humans die... cancer is common since most of us are living longer... if we had a better system of health care we would have caught the cancer early (regardless of who has it..”good” or “bad”)... and also accept the fact that we cannot catch all of them (not yet)


It is human nature to speculate on causes of disease or misfortune. When I saw the news the first question that came to my mind was, has it got something to do with growing up in Kibera? The reason for this was that less than 2 years ago a prominent surgeon who had grown up in Kibera died of cancer at the prime of his life:

https://profiles.uonbi.a...di/files/march_2017.pdf

https://www.annalsofafri...nals-of-african-surgery

I wish him well.

but people from all estates in life get cancer... last year cancer was the no. 3 killer after Pneumonia and Malaria!it "beat" HIV/AIDS. Let's face it for what it is... it's a puzzle that we need to unravel - giving it explanations like "Karma" or "God's punishment" or "Mapenzi ya Mungu" neuters our will to unravel it as we already have given it an answer that can neither be validated or invalidated.

about cancer killing more than hiv/aids, is a good number of cancer cases hiv/aids related? even pneumonia while still at it. how do you place those?
tom_boy
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:49:41 PM
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I sympathise with doctors, damned if you do and damned if you dont.

If someone goes to doctor with vague symptoms and he orders a battery of tests worth 50000, you bad mouth about doctors ordering too many test.

If someone comes with same vague symptoms and is treated as ulcers, a statistically more common cause of the symptoms than cancer in any population, and it turns out to be cancer, you crucify the doctor.

When the doctor goes on strike saying he needs better facilities to work with, better training opportunities, you vilify the poor guy.

When the doctor points out that high cost of healthcare is due to govt tax on medical equipment and drugs, cartel like behaviour of insurance companies and high cost of tests and imaging, no body listens. All you want is doctor to reduce his fee, a meagre 10% of total healhcare cost.

Majameni, mnataka daktari afanye nini!
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Tokyo
#24 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 9:34:25 AM
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Posts: 1,390
Stage 4 of Colon cancer is really bad. I do wish Hon member family Peace at this tough moments.
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mmarto
#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2019 11:51:11 AM
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Joined: 4/20/2010
Posts: 405
Location: nairobi
masukuma wrote:

but people from all estates in life get cancer... last year cancer was the no. 3 killer after Pneumonia and Malaria!it "beat" HIV/AIDS. Let's face it for what it is... it's a puzzle that we need to unravel - giving it explanations like "Karma" or "God's punishment" or "Mapenzi ya Mungu" neuters our will to unravel it as we already have given it an answer that can neither be validated or invalidated.


It has finally caught up with us....an in-sincere corrupt society at almost all levels is poisoning herself to a painful death.

I'll explain. My suspicion is that most of the cancer cases that we have are related to what is ingested into our body via the food we eat.

There are so many harmful chemicals being used to spray crops that are illegal in western countries. To export say french-beans into European markets farmers are told what chemicals to apply and which not to lest their produce is rejected(after subjecting to testing by the exporter). However the banned chemicals are sprayed on crops that we consume locally. Foliar feeds make especially our mbogas look nice n appetising but guess what, they look beautiful coz of those un-natural enzymes introduced when spraying. Even after spraying a farmer should wait for a stipulated period(like 4 days) before picking but my guess is as good as yours that they don't wait the stipulated period....an in-sincere society!!!. Same applies to dairy. After treatmeant a cow's milk should not be consumed like for 3 days.. It should be poured away or given to dogs. Which farmer pours away 20 litres per day for 3 or so days?

Then the issue with kupalilia shamba. We used to be manual, kupalilia with jembe but most of the wheat/maize we consume nowadays is from farms who apply herbicides to control weeds so as to lower cost of production.

I bet this is the cause of our problem period.

The other day an Ethiopian friend was asking me why there are so many cancer cases here. They do not have as many in ethiopia. So must be some problem localy here
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#26 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 5:28:57 PM
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Posts: 2,992
Just seen a picture of him on facebook, its looking tough for him.

Great guy this Ken Okoth, wish him all the best.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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