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Uber planning to roll out matatus
2012
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 6:34:04 AM
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This could be the public transportation disruption and revolution we need.

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
washiku
#2 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:33:42 AM
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2012 wrote:
This could be the public transportation disruption and revolution we need.


https://www.the-star.co....o1DwCypGx0eeQ1syyVJnv7I
Lolest!
#3 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:39:30 AM
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2012 wrote:
This could be the public transportation disruption and revolution we need.

Will it work? For taxis, hailing apps somehow created a new market

WIth ma3s, the crews and owners are averse to technology. Those of us who had Beba cards around 5 yrs ago will recall how they sabotaged
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KulaRaha
#4 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:44:19 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
2012 wrote:
This could be the public transportation disruption and revolution we need.

Will it work? For taxis, hailing apps somehow created a new market

WIth ma3s, the crews and owners are averse to technology. Those of us who had Beba cards around 5 yrs ago will recall how they sabotaged


Did hailing apps create a new market or just open up an existing one that wasn't served properly?

Would Uber matatus mean the death of traditional routes? Will we no longer need to come to town like brainless zombies to catch connections?

Now that would be revolutionary!
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
tom_boy
#5 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:05:44 AM
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Fantastic idea. It is just a larger version of shared rides. With an app and a 14 seater matatu and using power of algorithms it is possible to get an app that assesses traffic, passenger location and driver location. Put them all together for doorstep pick up to a ride into town to a designated drop off or drop offs. For a small premium, millions would opt for this mode of transport.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Shak
#6 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:38:17 AM
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This is timely. Our public transport system is rated as the third worst in the world
madollar
#7 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 11:57:24 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
2012 wrote:
This could be the public transportation disruption and revolution we need.

Will it work? For taxis, hailing apps somehow created a new market

WIth ma3s, the crews and owners are averse to technology. Those of us who had Beba cards around 5 yrs ago will recall how they sabotaged


Will be very interesting to see the business model uber will deploy currently most city based matatus work on targets.Kwanza they tafuta for mwenye gari then mafuta finally wanajilipa.

How will they operate during rush hour do they wait for the customer who has itishad ama will they cater kwa yule yuko kwa mlango.

Also will they be branded or work with existing saccos kupata "shimo' hii nairobi is not easy the current congestion says it all.

hardwood
#8 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 12:44:40 PM
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Unworkable.
tom_boy
#9 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:59:16 PM
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madollar wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
2012 wrote:
This could be the public transportation disruption and revolution we need.

Will it work? For taxis, hailing apps somehow created a new market

WIth ma3s, the crews and owners are averse to technology. Those of us who had Beba cards around 5 yrs ago will recall how they sabotaged


Will be very interesting to see the business model uber will deploy currently most city based matatus work on targets.Kwanza they tafuta for mwenye gari then mafuta finally wanajilipa.

How will they operate during rush hour do they wait for the customer who has itishad ama will they cater kwa yule yuko kwa mlango.

Also will they be branded or work with existing saccos kupata "shimo' hii nairobi is not easy the current congestion says it all.




Vehicles will be owned by individuals just like the taxi uber. There are thousands of people at a particular estate heading to town each morning. There are also thousands of people at say upperhil headed to buru in the evening. What is so hard about hailing an uber matatu that goes round picking estate guys headed to town and vice versa in the evening. The app can be configured to charge a different fair depending on where exactly you will be picked and dropped. No need for a shimo anywhere.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
tycho
#10 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:14:19 PM
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The biggest challenge in most cases is stating a problem correctly. After that every problem has a positive solution.

For example, a lot of time is wasted in traffic jams. If we can configure a matatu to be work friendly then we can have early bookings, and maybe at a premium rate.

Mike Ock
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:32:12 PM
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On this one they will need to buy their own fleets. The existing matatus are too beaten up and will resist change heavily. Guys have seen vile Uber imeharibu biashara ya taxi, now all other transport sectors are very apprehensive of allowing apps into their space
2012
#12 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:33:22 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
Fantastic idea. It is just a larger version of shared rides. With an app and a 14 seater matatu and using power of algorithms it is possible to get an app that assesses traffic, passenger location and driver location. Put them all together for doorstep pick up to a ride into town to a designated drop off or drop offs. For a small premium, millions would opt for this mode of transport.


I think that is exactly how they should do it. It might take a while for Kenyans watch from a far on whether it's working, but as they say, innovations are born out of a pain. If it's even solving a small ache, it will succeed. Kinda reminds me of how the traditional taxis never saw it coming and even after it came, some like my former taxi driver who I don't know where he disappeared to, said Uber was just a passing hype that would not last.

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
Lolest!
#13 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:47:48 PM
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tom_boy wrote:

Vehicles will be owned by individuals just like the taxi uber. There are thousands of people at a particular estate heading to town each morning. There are also thousands of people at say upperhil headed to buru in the evening. What is so hard about hailing an uber matatu that goes round picking estate guys headed to town and vice versa in the evening. The app can be configured to charge a different fair depending on where exactly you will be picked and dropped. No need for a shimo anywhere.

It would be great if it would work but:

TLB-Which route will they be registered to?

Ma3 guys-What is in it for industry stakeholders? Ma3 owner, deree, kondaa?
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Lolest!
#14 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:50:27 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:


Did hailing apps create a new market or just open up an existing one that wasn't served properly?

I take it to be a new market. Just like it's said Equity and MPESA have assisted the unbanked, Uber opened an avenue for many who'd normally not have taken taxis. Number of trips pre & post uber is uncomparable
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Sansa
#15 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:57:18 PM
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Hmmm ... I don't like this idea. This is money being taken away from Kenya. Uber will finyilia guys and take off with huge profits.
2012
#16 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:53:05 PM
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Sansa wrote:
Hmmm ... I don't like this idea. This is money being taken away from Kenya. Uber will finyilia guys and take off with huge profits.


That's the sad truth. But it's as a result of our failure mainly due to corruption. The advantage is that the government won't need to waste taxpayers money for this solution.
But the answer has been below the government's nose all this time, Tha train! Do they not see how full it gets when matatus are on strike?

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
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#17 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:25:59 PM
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Lolest! wrote:

It would be great if it would work but:

TLB-Which route will they be registered to?

Ma3 guys-What is in it for industry stakeholders? Ma3 owner, deree, kondaa?


Just like their uber taxis aren't their own properties, they will leave ownwership of mats to individuals but will have designated spots guided by the driver's app where the mats will be waiting for people to board. Basically all uber would be doing is taking an already existing transportation infrastructure and modifying it to benefit commuters and themselves.

The driver chooses a restricted route say route no.7 but must cover approximately the path that the actual mat route no. 7 does. The further he chooses to deviate from his guided path, the more it may hurt his earnings since mat charges are fixed.

The commuter chooses a route that the app proposes as a result of entering their location and destination that is also approximately in line with the driver's route no. 7 for example. The commuter's app then tells them of the closest bus that is within the vicinity waiting for commuters around that area and gives the no. of people left to fill it and how much time it would take them to get to it given their approaching pace.

The same time is also communicated to the driver with the longest time being the slowest approaching commuter. The app will not limit anyone choosing the mat so that first come is first served and the mat leaves as soon as it fills up.
Lolest!
#18 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2018 3:10:04 AM
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@drobos, why would a ma3 owner, driver, conductor sign up for this?
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#19 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2018 7:24:18 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
@drobos, why would a ma3 owner, driver, conductor sign up for this?


Why do you think the concept is targeted at conventional or current matatu owners? We are limiting our imagination here by applying our broken matatu model to this,...in fact, if Uber tries to emulate the matatu way of doing things, it is likely not to work..
Expanding on @Drobos idea, imagine this scenario ...its 5:30 pm, day over at Industrial Area for instance, people milling about, a prospective traveller enters his or her usual route, Industrial Area Street A to BuruBuru shopping center ..., and so do a few others, the Uber app aggregates people originating from one point and are terminating their journeys at different points along the same route, Shell, phase 5, buru centre ...it sees there is a quorum, may be 7 people are sufficient,...it generates a code for the route, lets call it a journey code and searches nearby to see if there are any vans available and publishes ...a driver signs up/activates the journey code and moves to the first pick up point ....
See? Not hard at all.
There will be challenges (legal and regulatory), and matatu owners will be rebel and be petulant to the ends of the earth, but the matatu industry will be disrupted....we are reaching a tipping point with this madness.
Lolest!
#20 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2018 10:12:26 AM
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quicksand wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
@drobos, why would a ma3 owner, driver, conductor sign up for this?


Why do you think the concept is targeted at conventional or current matatu owners? We are limiting our imagination here by applying our broken matatu model to this,...in fact, if Uber tries to emulate the matatu way of doing things, it is likely not to work..
Expanding on @Drobos idea, imagine this scenario ...its 5:30 pm, day over at Industrial Area for instance, people milling about, a prospective traveller enters his or her usual route, Industrial Area Street A to BuruBuru shopping center ..., and so do a few others, the Uber app aggregates people originating from one point and are terminating their journeys at different points along the same route, Shell, phase 5, buru centre ...it sees there is a quorum, may be 7 people are sufficient,...it generates a code for the route, lets call it a journey code and searches nearby to see if there are any vans available and publishes ...a driver signs up/activates the journey code and moves to the first pick up point ....
See? Not hard at all.
There will be challenges (legal and regulatory), and matatu owners will be rebel and be petulant to the ends of the earth, but the matatu industry will be disrupted....we are reaching a tipping point with this madness.

Interesting @quicksand. The problem with ma3 trips is they don't work like cab trips. But I guess the premise of your argument is that carpooling will sort the passengers(correct). Issue is how to attract vehicle owners especially coz it has to be PSV?

Return trips for your guy after dropping clients in Buru? This has been the main attraction in Uber(many trips & reduced dead mileage).

But interesting idea. Would love to see it work BTW. Reminds me of these Nipe Lift guys we were discussing on another thread. http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...spx?g=posts&m=853108
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