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Rape....or 3 some....or both?
2012
#101 Posted : Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:16:12 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
2012 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
2012 wrote:
Sansa wrote:
“As young as they are come from humble backgrounds and it is through their career that they have been able to support their kin,” their lawyer argued adding: “they had not planned to meet the victim on the material day.”

This is their plea for a lighter sentence? The victim had not planned to be raped on that day, had she?

They should have thought about their kin and ages if they were that important.


I've been following this case and at some point I was sure it was going to fall off the radar. Now, I'm not that young but the Almighty has been good to me and I could pass for a younger me. Early this year, a group of young men & ladies 20something yr olds added me to their whatsapp group. The things the discuss, memes etc are just shocking especially on Mondays after a weekend, long weekends like this one even worse. I think our values have really changed. These are young people with good entry level jobs, uni graduates most in IT, 3/4 of them raised by single parents or other family members not that well to do. These guys are experimenting with everything and I can see how the line can be blurred between consensual sex and rape in parties after drinking and whatever other things accompany those drinks. I just think our morals have fallen to a super new low and if you have kids, bring them up the old fashioned way with discipline and teaching being key.

That said, if these guys are guilty and it look like they are, I hope they receive the maximum sentence ili iwe funzo. We have too many youth so we should not worry about their replacements in the rugby club, life etc. That was a very weak defence line.


Under what circumstances were you added to the group?


Because of my profession. It's a group of young professions from a certain sector. Maybe one or two people here are in that group judging from some discussions here.

add me to that group too. smile


I'm bila admin powers. But I know from what I see that it will get darker with that generation before we see any light. But again, that was said of all new generations.

BBI will solve it
:)
mkenyan
#102 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2019 9:33:30 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 4/1/2009
Posts: 1,827
2012 wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
2012 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
2012 wrote:
Sansa wrote:
“As young as they are come from humble backgrounds and it is through their career that they have been able to support their kin,” their lawyer argued adding: “they had not planned to meet the victim on the material day.”

This is their plea for a lighter sentence? The victim had not planned to be raped on that day, had she?

They should have thought about their kin and ages if they were that important.


I've been following this case and at some point I was sure it was going to fall off the radar. Now, I'm not that young but the Almighty has been good to me and I could pass for a younger me. Early this year, a group of young men & ladies 20something yr olds added me to their whatsapp group. The things the discuss, memes etc are just shocking especially on Mondays after a weekend, long weekends like this one even worse. I think our values have really changed. These are young people with good entry level jobs, uni graduates most in IT, 3/4 of them raised by single parents or other family members not that well to do. These guys are experimenting with everything and I can see how the line can be blurred between consensual sex and rape in parties after drinking and whatever other things accompany those drinks. I just think our morals have fallen to a super new low and if you have kids, bring them up the old fashioned way with discipline and teaching being key.

That said, if these guys are guilty and it look like they are, I hope they receive the maximum sentence ili iwe funzo. We have too many youth so we should not worry about their replacements in the rugby club, life etc. That was a very weak defence line.


Under what circumstances were you added to the group?


Because of my profession. It's a group of young professions from a certain sector. Maybe one or two people here are in that group judging from some discussions here.

add me to that group too. smile


I'm bila admin powers. But I know from what I see that it will get darker with that generation before we see any light. But again, that was said of all new generations.

i agree. also in some group where the girls are on this 'slut-shaming should stop' and 'women should also be proud of their body counts' drive. and those are just the minor concerns.
ZZE123
#103 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2019 12:39:07 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/21/2008
Posts: 2,474
mkenyan wrote:
2012 wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
2012 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
2012 wrote:
Sansa wrote:
“As young as they are come from humble backgrounds and it is through their career that they have been able to support their kin,” their lawyer argued adding: “they had not planned to meet the victim on the material day.”

This is their plea for a lighter sentence? The victim had not planned to be raped on that day, had she?

They should have thought about their kin and ages if they were that important.


I've been following this case and at some point I was sure it was going to fall off the radar. Now, I'm not that young but the Almighty has been good to me and I could pass for a younger me. Early this year, a group of young men & ladies 20something yr olds added me to their whatsapp group. The things the discuss, memes etc are just shocking especially on Mondays after a weekend, long weekends like this one even worse. I think our values have really changed. These are young people with good entry level jobs, uni graduates most in IT, 3/4 of them raised by single parents or other family members not that well to do. These guys are experimenting with everything and I can see how the line can be blurred between consensual sex and rape in parties after drinking and whatever other things accompany those drinks. I just think our morals have fallen to a super new low and if you have kids, bring them up the old fashioned way with discipline and teaching being key.

That said, if these guys are guilty and it look like they are, I hope they receive the maximum sentence ili iwe funzo. We have too many youth so we should not worry about their replacements in the rugby club, life etc. That was a very weak defence line.


Under what circumstances were you added to the group?


Because of my profession. It's a group of young professions from a certain sector. Maybe one or two people here are in that group judging from some discussions here.

add me to that group too. smile


I'm bila admin powers. But I know from what I see that it will get darker with that generation before we see any light. But again, that was said of all new generations.

i agree. also in some group where the girls are on this 'slut-shaming should stop' and 'women should also be proud of their body counts' drive. and those are just the minor concerns.


Though am old, I would like to see the discussions in that group.. Hata paka mzee hunywa maziwa
The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
murchr
#104 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2019 3:31:26 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,690
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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FRM2011
#105 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2019 9:33:37 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,456
murchr wrote:


Can't help but pity these young lads. I am convinced it is one of those cases where consent can be given then wuthdrawn. Too much alcohol. The remorse and anger after the pregnancy triggered the girl's late reporting of the crime.

A condom would have changed everything.
Queen
#106 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 2:55:25 PM
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Joined: 11/21/2018
Posts: 346
Location: Britain
The court of appeal has ordered for a re-trial. Will justice be served finally? I suspect the two rugby players will be acquitted. You can't sit pretty and sue people for rape a month after the act and only upon discovering that you are pregnant and your attempts at blackmail have hit a brick wall.
kaka2za
#107 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 5:08:40 PM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 3,987
Location: Gwitu
Queen wrote:
The court of appeal has ordered for a re-trial. Will justice be served finally? I suspect the two rugby players will be acquitted. You can't sit pretty and sue people for rape a month after the act and only upon discovering that you are pregnant and your attempts at blackmail have hit a brick wall.


Almost certainly be acquitted.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Queen
#108 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 5:22:41 PM
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Joined: 11/21/2018
Posts: 346
Location: Britain
kaka2za wrote:
Queen wrote:
The court of appeal has ordered for a re-trial. Will justice be served finally? I suspect the two rugby players will be acquitted. You can't sit pretty and sue people for rape a month after the act and only upon discovering that you are pregnant and your attempts at blackmail have hit a brick wall.


Almost certainly be acquitted.


No prize for guessing the outcome. The lady magistrate who sentenced them to 15yrs imprisonment needs to be investigated. Quite frankly, one doesn't need to have studied law to spot the bias,
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