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Apartment design approval outline
Thirst_4_Knowledge
#1 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2016 11:52:11 PM
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Joined: 5/9/2016
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Hi people.
I am in the process of starting off a multi-tenant apartment project in Mucatha area. More specifically, I am researching on the requirements and associated costs for getting the design looked at and approved.

I welcome your guidance on:
1) A clear step-by-step outline of the process you go through to get the design approved (start to finish, deliverables at each stage and the offices involved)
2) An indication of the timelines for each of the steps; and finally
3) An indication of the associated costs at each stage (a sample scenario with some hypothetical figures will do; I can re-work to suit my needs)

If there are any other nuggets of wisdom you can offer in relation to that, I would also appreciate it.
Regards,
kanyimwa
#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:05:57 AM
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Joined: 8/20/2008
Posts: 83
Thirst_4_Knowledge wrote:
Hi people.
I am in the process of starting off a multi-tenant apartment project in Mucatha area. More specifically, I am researching on the requirements and associated costs for getting the design looked at and approved.

I welcome your guidance on:
1) A clear step-by-step outline of the process you go through to get the design approved (start to finish, deliverables at each stage and the offices involved)
2) An indication of the timelines for each of the steps; and finally
3) An indication of the associated costs at each stage (a sample scenario with some hypothetical figures will do; I can re-work to suit my needs)

If there are any other nuggets of wisdom you can offer in relation to that, I would also appreciate it.
Regards,


First, if your plot is less than 0.045Ha; it will not be approvsd for flats in Kiambu County for flats construction. Late last year the county started enforcing this requirement. Hundreds of developers in Ruaka, ndenderu and muchatha areas were caught offguard. These are some of the issues making Clifford popular for Kiambu governorship
Thirst_4_Knowledge
#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:26:48 PM
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kanyimwa wrote:
Thirst_4_Knowledge wrote:
Hi people.
I am in the process of starting off a multi-tenant apartment project in Mucatha area. More specifically, I am researching on the requirements and associated costs for getting the design looked at and approved.

I welcome your guidance on:
1) A clear step-by-step outline of the process you go through to get the design approved (start to finish, deliverables at each stage and the offices involved)
2) An indication of the timelines for each of the steps; and finally
3) An indication of the associated costs at each stage (a sample scenario with some hypothetical figures will do; I can re-work to suit my needs)

If there are any other nuggets of wisdom you can offer in relation to that, I would also appreciate it.
Regards,


First, if your plot is less than 0.045Ha; it will not be approvsd for flats in Kiambu County for flats construction. Late last year the county started enforcing this requirement. Hundreds of developers in Ruaka, ndenderu and muchatha areas were caught offguard. These are some of the issues making Clifford popular for Kiambu governorship


Thanks for the response Kanyimwa. Handy info to have at hand there.

I look forward to even more responses on the topic.
Musimo
#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:21:13 PM
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Joined: 9/3/2015
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Location: Nairobi
Thirst_4_Knowledge wrote:
Hi people.
I am in the process of starting off a multi-tenant apartment project in Mucatha area. More specifically, I am researching on the requirements and associated costs for getting the design looked at and approved.

I welcome your guidance on:
1) A clear step-by-step outline of the process you go through to get the design approved (start to finish, deliverables at each stage and the offices involved)
2) An indication of the timelines for each of the steps; and finally
3) An indication of the associated costs at each stage (a sample scenario with some hypothetical figures will do; I can re-work to suit my needs)

If there are any other nuggets of wisdom you can offer in relation to that, I would also appreciate it.
Regards,


@Thirstforknowledge the process stands as below:
1. Engage an architect. As the main planner of the project, he has to come up with a suitable design, both aesthetically(kwa kuona na macho) and CAPEX-wise(kulingana na uzito wa mfuko). Once a suitable plan is decided upon, it is supposed to be submitted to the local council (in your case,kwa kabogo) for approval. They usually indicate whether the plan will be approved or thrown back to the drawing board based on what @kanyimwa has indicated, amongst other things. e.g. number of floors, zoning of the area (low density residential, high density residential, commercial,etc).
2. Upon approval, you engage a structural engineer. From my experience, it is better to engage one when you engage an architect, and you would also discover that architects like to bring in their engineer for purposes of ease of communication and previous experiences in design and supervision works in the same team. I advocate for early appointment of the engineer as he would guide the architect on some structural aspects before the architectural design is finalised, and thus ease in undertaking structural design as well as eliminating any problems that may arise pre-construction.
3. Engage a quantity surveyor(QS). He is the projects cost estimator and gives a preliminary cost of the project. His importance will also e stated somewhere down this summary.
4. Engage a contractor. This days, the NCA makes it mandatory to have a contractor registered by them undertaking construction works. The architect, engineer and QS usually have a hand in vetting the above in the technical aspects of construction projects undertaken before by the prospective contractor, the technical people in their team, among other items. you will also notice that most contractors these days only bring machinery and materials on site, then hire a labour sub-contractor to deal with manpower.
5. Register the proposed construction with NCA. They usually require approved architectural and structural drawings, as well as the QS's estimate to determine your 0.5% levy payable to them. Without this, you will not get a go-ahead for construction. NB: the 0.5% levy is applicable for projects costing 5 million and above, or thereabouts.
6. Fees payable to the consultants:
Architect:4-6%, Engineer(Structural, Mechanical and electrical; each): 3-4.5%, QS:2%.
Some consultants may offer a rate lower than what I have given,depending on your negotiation skills.
I think I have covered all the bases.
Thirst_4_Knowledge
#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:42:03 PM
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Musimo wrote:
Thirst_4_Knowledge wrote:
Hi people.
I am in the process of starting off a multi-tenant apartment project in Mucatha area. More specifically, I am researching on the requirements and associated costs for getting the design looked at and approved.

I welcome your guidance on:
1) A clear step-by-step outline of the process you go through to get the design approved (start to finish, deliverables at each stage and the offices involved)
2) An indication of the timelines for each of the steps; and finally
3) An indication of the associated costs at each stage (a sample scenario with some hypothetical figures will do; I can re-work to suit my needs)

If there are any other nuggets of wisdom you can offer in relation to that, I would also appreciate it.
Regards,


@Thirstforknowledge the process stands as below:
1. Engage an architect. As the main planner of the project, he has to come up with a suitable design, both aesthetically(kwa kuona na macho) and CAPEX-wise(kulingana na uzito wa mfuko). Once a suitable plan is decided upon, it is supposed to be submitted to the local council (in your case,kwa kabogo) for approval. They usually indicate whether the plan will be approved or thrown back to the drawing board based on what @kanyimwa has indicated, amongst other things. e.g. number of floors, zoning of the area (low density residential, high density residential, commercial,etc).
2. Upon approval, you engage a structural engineer. From my experience, it is better to engage one when you engage an architect, and you would also discover that architects like to bring in their engineer for purposes of ease of communication and previous experiences in design and supervision works in the same team. I advocate for early appointment of the engineer as he would guide the architect on some structural aspects before the architectural design is finalised, and thus ease in undertaking structural design as well as eliminating any problems that may arise pre-construction.
3. Engage a quantity surveyor(QS). He is the projects cost estimator and gives a preliminary cost of the project. His importance will also e stated somewhere down this summary.
4. Engage a contractor. This days, the NCA makes it mandatory to have a contractor registered by them undertaking construction works. The architect, engineer and QS usually have a hand in vetting the above in the technical aspects of construction projects undertaken before by the prospective contractor, the technical people in their team, among other items. you will also notice that most contractors these days only bring machinery and materials on site, then hire a labour sub-contractor to deal with manpower.
5. Register the proposed construction with NCA. They usually require approved architectural and structural drawings, as well as the QS's estimate to determine your 0.5% levy payable to them. Without this, you will not get a go-ahead for construction. NB: the 0.5% levy is applicable for projects costing 5 million and above, or thereabouts.
6. Fees payable to the consultants:
Architect:4-6%, Engineer(Structural, Mechanical and electrical; each): 3-4.5%, QS:2%.
Some consultants may offer a rate lower than what I have given,depending on your negotiation skills.
I think I have covered all the bases.


Thanks a lot Musimo. Very helpful info. Very helpful.

Could you, or anyone else on the forum, please un-pack further the sub-processes in point 1 as outlined above. I would like to hear more on the sub-steps therein.
obiero
#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:34:22 PM
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NEMA wasipuuzwe
COOP 5,500; KCB 3,700; KQ 221,100
shalishali
#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:56:57 AM
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Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
NEMA wasipuuzwe

Yes NEMA fees 0.1% of Bill of quantities + Lead expert fees(consultant to write and submit the report to NEMA)which is negotiable.
UKITAFUTA UKABILA UTAKUFA BILA!
Eng. Kamau
#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2016 12:16:39 PM
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Where does project managers come in and would it be cost effective to engage project managers ( like the Mentor Group )from the onset of the project?

Precise, verified and certified details.
Dawnwoods
#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:44:33 PM
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@Thirst-4-knowledge...Before you do anything.. Contact a4architect.. Francis Kamau in particular.. 254721410684. Or visit web.. info@a4architect.com. seems like this guys are the real deal.. I wonder if Eng. Kamau is the same person am referring you to. Good Luck!!!!!!
obiero
#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:23:05 PM
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Location: nairobi
shalishali wrote:
obiero wrote:
NEMA wasipuuzwe

Yes NEMA fees 0.1% of Bill of quantities + Lead expert fees(consultant to write and submit the report to NEMA)which is negotiable.

Weka 40k for the EIA expert. Plus 90k for change of user as demanded by cap 286 of the physical Planning act. On administrative cost alone weka 400-500k in budget as per accurate list availed by @musimo
COOP 5,500; KCB 3,700; KQ 221,100
dunkang
#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:10:06 PM
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Simplified requirements:-
1. Approved Architectural Drawings;
(Prepared by your Architect but Approved County Officers)

2. Approved Structural Drawings; (Prepared by a EBK registered Professional Engineer but Approved by County Engineers)

3. Services Drawings (Electro-Mech);

4. NEMA (Environment)License; (Prepared by NEMA licensed Lead Expert but licencing conditions laid out by NEMA)

5. NCA Permit; Submit Bills of Quantities with project cost and name and license of Contractor and Engineers and pay the 0.5% fees.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Thirst_4_Knowledge
#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2016 11:12:34 PM
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Thank you so much guys. A lot of very helpful info that can guide me as I trudge forward. Thanks guys.
timbosho
#13 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:19:38 AM
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Im just wondering, all these approvals and fees, NCA, county, NEMA etc, what value do they bring? You will still have to put in sewerage, roads, water pipes etc if they are not on site, and if they are you will have to provide water tanks and security anyway to attract tenants. Apologies for thread hijack.
Ericsson
#14 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2016 7:52:52 AM
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Real estate is a very expensive venture in kenya.Everything you are on your own.
Even pulling/bring electricity to the houses you pay kenya power to do for you,buy the transformers etc.
This are some of the reasons housing is expensive and the people who are able to do it well are wealthy individuals i.e millionaires with wealth in excess of 500mn,pension schemes and big institutions
obiero
#15 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2016 6:03:39 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Real estate is a very expensive venture in kenya.Everything you are on your own.
Even pulling/bring electricity to the houses you pay kenya power to do for you,buy the transformers etc.
This are some of the reasons housing is expensive and the people who are able to do it well are wealthy individuals i.e millionaires with wealth in excess of 500mn,pension schemes and big institutions

With 25m you are set for a four storied flat. One doesnt need 500m for such
COOP 5,500; KCB 3,700; KQ 221,100
Thirst_4_Knowledge
#16 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:01:53 PM
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Interesting points of view. I still view it as a very viable venture.
brainstorm212
#17 Posted : Wednesday, May 29, 2019 11:46:42 AM
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kanyimwa wrote:
Thirst_4_Knowledge wrote:
Hi people.
I am in the process of starting off a multi-tenant apartment project in Mucatha area. More specifically, I am researching on the requirements and associated costs for getting the design looked at and approved.

I welcome your guidance on:
1) A clear step-by-step outline of the process you go through to get the design approved (start to finish, deliverables at each stage and the offices involved)
2) An indication of the timelines for each of the steps; and finally
3) An indication of the associated costs at each stage (a sample scenario with some hypothetical figures will do; I can re-work to suit my needs)

If there are any other nuggets of wisdom you can offer in relation to that, I would also appreciate it.
Regards,


First, if your plot is less than 0.045Ha; it will not be approvsd for flats in Kiambu County for flats construction. Late last year the county started enforcing this requirement. Hundreds of developers in Ruaka, ndenderu and muchatha areas were caught offguard. These are some of the issues making Clifford popular for Kiambu governorship

Oh, you know there's a good way to get a ready-made design for your apartment? Personally I did so. I wrote to the support service of this company https://www.parc-clematis.com.sg, with a request to send me an example of one-room apartments that they will have upon completion of construction of the house. They send me ready-made sketches, photos and even drawings, and then I can make repairs by their example ) Profit ;)
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