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The meaning of circumcision
Atalaku
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:37:12 AM
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My hypothesis is; if you have experienced pain, you are likely not to inflict any on another person.

What is the meaning of circumcision? It is not just the cutting-off of the foreskin. If we go back to the Old Testament circumcision reminded people of the importance of responsibility, the indispensible response required of everybody who bore the sign. Anybody who has gone through this ritual cannot fail to remember the pain he had to endure for close to one week every morning when you had your hard-on and the bandage was all blood. My pain was more because it was the week I decided to read all the books David G Maillu had written by then! That pain reminds us of responsibility and sensitivity towards others. That is why women value their children so much because they can remember the pain they went through during childbirth. Circumcision is a covenant between man and God…It is the umbilical cord that connects man to God. If you are circumcised your actions are more likely to be Godly than of those who are not. Before circumcision several values are inculcated in the minds of the young people and key among them is respect for people’s property.

Therefore a man who is circumcised thinks of responsibility, is mindful of others, sensible and sensitive towards others in whatever he does. Deuteronomy 10:16…’Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn’. A man who is circumcised literally is also circumcised metaphorically. The foreskin of his heart is also cut. He thinks properly, is caring, loving and treats others well.
I know this is a curse passed on from the ancestors in those communities that do not practice this. But you can break it by taking your boy for circumcision this December. Before then teach him not to throw stones at anything for no reason at all. Teach him to value property. Teach him to work hard. Teach him to respect those in authority. Teach him, teach him, teach him….

Questions
1. What pain have these men Experienced? (Women are well behaved because of what I have explained earlier on)
2. If they have not experienced any pain, can we excuse them for the foolishness displayed BY SOME in nearly all spheres of life…from politics to social events to funerals?
3. Is it possible to herd a few of them back to Congo forest so that they can be taught by the Gorillas a few things about responsibility. They should observe very keenly how the gorillas treat the young ones!!!
PS; Today I have a free day and so I will be in a position to clarify on any issue I have raised. I also want to empathize with those who have taken bank loans to boost their businesses only to see all that go up in smoke.
b. If you agree with me, say so so that we can chart a way forward to help these people.

Um Sayala
#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:08:15 AM
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Will the uncircumcised ever go to Heaven?
World over, what is the population ratio of Cir to Uncircumcised?
Is responsibility delivered thro a single ritual, if yes, how do you expalin the irresponsible murderes in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc?
"Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
Atalaku
#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:15:53 AM
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Um Sayala wrote:
Will the uncircumcised ever go to Heaven?
World over, what is the population ratio of Cir to Uncircumcised?
Is responsibility delivered thro a single ritual, if yes, how do you expalin the irresponsible murderes in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc?

...Yes...They can decide to circumcise their hearts...
...Though the physical cut is not enough but a MUST, the heart too has to be cut.
...I delimiting my study to the Kenyan situation only...Sorry!
McReggae
#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:18:26 AM
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I see @Atalaku, is the new lower tail disciple, endelea kujifurahia hio kaskin kalitupwa na ujue watu kama wewe ndio wanaume!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Um Sayala
#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:27:34 AM
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Atalaku wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
Will the uncircumcised ever go to Heaven?
World over, what is the population ratio of Cir to Uncircumcised?
Is responsibility delivered thro a single ritual, if yes, how do you expalin the irresponsible murderes in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc?

...Yes...They can decide to circumcise their hearts...
...Though the physical cut is not enough but a MUST, the heart too has to be cut.
...I delimiting my study to the Kenyan situation only...Sorry!

The statement in red contradicts the first one. If physical is a must,then how will an uncircumcised person decide to circumcise the heart.
By limiting yourself in Kenya, you leave a very big population and your hypothesis become void.For it is not circumcision that brings responsibility. I have always requested for doctors in Wazua to bring my foreskin back.
"Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
Angelica _ann
#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:37:00 AM
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Atalaku wrote:
My hypothesis is; if you have experienced pain, you are likely not to inflict any on another person.

What is the meaning of circumcision? It is not just the cutting-off of the foreskin. If we go back to the Old Testament circumcision reminded people of the importance of responsibility, the indispensible response required of everybody who bore the sign. Anybody who has gone through this ritual cannot fail to remember the pain he had to endure for close to one week every morning when you had your hard-on and the bandage was all blood. My pain was more because it was the week I decided to read all the books David G Maillu had written by then! That pain reminds us of responsibility and sensitivity towards others. That is why women value their children so much because they can remember the pain they went through during childbirth. Circumcision is a covenant between man and God…It is the umbilical cord that connects man to God. If you are circumcised your actions are more likely to be Godly than of those who are not. Before circumcision several values are inculcated in the minds of the young people and key among them is respect for people’s property.

Therefore a man who is circumcised thinks of responsibility, is mindful of others, sensible and sensitive towards others in whatever he does. Deuteronomy 10:16…’Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn’. A man who is circumcised literally is also circumcised metaphorically. The foreskin of his heart is also cut. He thinks properly, is caring, loving and treats others well.
I know this is a curse passed on from the ancestors in those communities that do not practice this. But you can break it by taking your boy for circumcision this December. Before then teach him not to throw stones at anything for no reason at all. Teach him to value property. Teach him to work hard. Teach him to respect those in authority. Teach him, teach him, teach him….

Questions
1. What pain have these men Experienced? (Women are well behaved because of what I have explained earlier on)
2. If they have not experienced any pain, can we excuse them for the foolishness displayed BY SOME in nearly all spheres of life…from politics to social events to funerals?
3. Is it possible to herd a few of them back to Congo forest so that they can be taught by the Gorillas a few things about responsibility. They should observe very keenly how the gorillas treat the young ones!!!
PS; Today I have a free day and so I will be in a position to clarify on any issue I have raised. I also want to empathize with those who have taken bank loans to boost their businesses only to see all that go up in smoke.
b. If you agree with me, say so so that we can chart a way forward to help these people.


smile smile smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Swenani
#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:39:38 AM
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Atalaku wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
Will the uncircumcised ever go to Heaven?
World over, what is the population ratio of Cir to Uncircumcised?
Is responsibility delivered thro a single ritual, if yes, how do you expalin the irresponsible murderes in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc?

...Yes...They can decide to circumcise their hearts...
...Though the physical cut is not enough but a MUST, the heart too has to be cut.
...I delimiting my study to the Kenyan situation only...Sorry!


Is it possible to have a circumcised heart and uncircumcised dick? if yes or no, which is better?
Poverty is the root of all evil
washiku
#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:40:36 AM
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Question: Must the cut be on the private parts? Can any other part of the body be cut off and it passes as circumcision? Should female ones be circumcised?
Angelica _ann
#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:40:57 AM
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Swenani wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
Will the uncircumcised ever go to Heaven?
World over, what is the population ratio of Cir to Uncircumcised?
Is responsibility delivered thro a single ritual, if yes, how do you expalin the irresponsible murderes in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc?

...Yes...They can decide to circumcise their hearts...
...Though the physical cut is not enough but a MUST, the heart too has to be cut.
...I delimiting my study to the Kenyan situation only...Sorry!


Is it possible to have a circumcised heart and uncircumcised dick? if yes or no, which is better?

circumcised dick is better!!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
innairobi
#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:42:49 AM
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Circumcision has no correlation to behavior. People accused of behaving a certain way because they are uncircumcised will act the same even if they adopted circumcision en masse. You can probably discuss history, culture and learned behavior. The Luo for instance have a political history filled with grievances. These decades-old communal frustrations are probably what occasionally finds outlet in other facets of life e.g. Kogalo matches. However, things like innate temperament may also vary across different demographics. Its the same way different dog breeds have different temperaments.
All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
Atalaku
#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:48:38 AM
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Um Sayala wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
Will the uncircumcised ever go to Heaven?
World over, what is the population ratio of Cir to Uncircumcised?
Is responsibility delivered thro a single ritual, if yes, how do you expalin the irresponsible murderes in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc?

...Yes...They can decide to circumcise their hearts...
...Though the physical cut is not enough but a MUST, the heart too has to be cut.
...I delimiting my study to the Kenyan situation only...Sorry!

The statement in red contradicts the first one. If physical is a must,then how will an uncircumcised person decide to circumcise the heart.
By limiting yourself in Kenya, you leave a very big population and your hypothesis become void.For it is not circumcision that brings responsibility. I have always requested for doctors in Wazua to bring my foreskin back.

...There is no contradiction at all. The physical/literal action goes along with many teachings. It is not a cut and go exercise. It is not a one off thing. The bastards behaving like this did not go through any passage. The uncircumcised can get circumcised through their hearts and become mature/ go through that right of passage...from boys to men. That is the metaphorical meaning. Yes. I still repeat. The physical action comes along with responsibility which is taught in several phases.
...About your foreskin I cant help you because I wouldn't know how to stitch it back. Continue asking your Wazua doctors. And again the reason why you don't throw stones is that its removal taught you that you are man. It is innate and you cant remove it from you. That feeling you get when you want to do something evil and you are held back because the teachings...There is a very big correlation between circumcision and responsibility.
Swenani
#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:50:42 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
Will the uncircumcised ever go to Heaven?
World over, what is the population ratio of Cir to Uncircumcised?
Is responsibility delivered thro a single ritual, if yes, how do you expalin the irresponsible murderes in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc?

...Yes...They can decide to circumcise their hearts...
...Though the physical cut is not enough but a MUST, the heart too has to be cut.
...I delimiting my study to the Kenyan situation only...Sorry!


Is it possible to have a circumcised heart and uncircumcised dick? if yes or no, which is better?

circumcised dick is better!!!!


Did you have a morning glory session madam?
Poverty is the root of all evil
Atalaku
#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:51:21 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
Will the uncircumcised ever go to Heaven?
World over, what is the population ratio of Cir to Uncircumcised?
Is responsibility delivered thro a single ritual, if yes, how do you expalin the irresponsible murderes in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc?

...Yes...They can decide to circumcise their hearts...
...Though the physical cut is not enough but a MUST, the heart too has to be cut.
...I delimiting my study to the Kenyan situation only...Sorry!


Is it possible to have a circumcised heart and uncircumcised dick? if yes or no, which is better?

circumcised dick is better!!!!

Hear...hear..Hear... A close 'girlfriend' of mine confided in me that her friend who is not circumcised even comes when his erect dick is exposed to the wind!!!
Atalaku
#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:55:26 AM
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McReggae wrote:
I see @Atalaku, is the new lower tail disciple, endelea kujifurahia hio kaskin kalitupwa na ujue watu kama wewe ndio wanaume!!!

...smile Bro...I am just trying to understand behavior and to do so one has to look at many variables...I know you are a good man...Even though I don't know about the other one, I know your heart is completely circumcised!!!
Tebes
#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:56:21 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
Will the uncircumcised ever go to Heaven?
World over, what is the population ratio of Cir to Uncircumcised?
Is responsibility delivered thro a single ritual, if yes, how do you expalin the irresponsible murderes in the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc?

...Yes...They can decide to circumcise their hearts...
...Though the physical cut is not enough but a MUST, the heart too has to be cut.
...I delimiting my study to the Kenyan situation only...Sorry!


Is it possible to have a circumcised heart and uncircumcised dick? if yes or no, which is better?

circumcised dick is better!!!!


Better in what way??? Performance wise or behavioral patterns of the unfortunate bearer?

smile smile smile

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kysse
#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:00:43 AM
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foreskins on a Tuesday..
not good
Swenani
#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:05:15 AM
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kysse wrote:
foreskins on a Tuesday..
not good


smile smile smile
Poverty is the root of all evil
Um Sayala
#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:21:19 AM
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@ Atalaku, Lets hypothesize:
All circumcised men in Kenya are responsible, from Meru to Kisii From Turkana to Coast. True?
"Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
Angelica _ann
#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:31:57 AM
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Are Turkanas, pokots, Keiyos, Marakwets, Samburus circumcised na vile they keep on stealing and beating each other (even killing gava) or they are not part of this discussion!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Atalaku
#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:34:03 AM
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Um Sayala wrote:
@ Atalaku, Lets hypothesize:
All circumcised men in Kenya are responsible, from Meru to Kisii From Turkana to it coast. True?

There you have it. Show me one community that behaves so crudely that is cut. why would so many people think the same way when It comes to evil.
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