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Playing the market 2014 - 2016
Ebenyo
#121 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 6:12:41 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 1,712
Location: Kitale
The truth is that it pays to invest longterm.Quick and short term thinking leads to losses.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
target1360
#122 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 12:08:38 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 5/14/2014
Posts: 277
Location: nairobi
The truth is that it is very difficult to beat the market,ask buffet.
many people will make money during bull markets and start over estimating their intelligence.
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
sparkly
#123 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 7:24:18 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 7,285
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
target1360 wrote:
The truth is that it is very difficult to beat the market,ask buffet.
many people will make money during bull markets and start over estimating their intelligence.


Word!
Life is short. Live passionately.
streetwise
#124 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 8:49:45 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 6/23/2011
Posts: 1,739
Location: Nairobi
When one overestimates their intelligence especially if they enter the market and make some wins then they are preparing for a disaster.

Pray that you initially make losses so that you learn and your heart is strengthened then you will be in good position to make decisions and take positions. My advise
The Great
#125 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 9:53:12 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 9/9/2015
Posts: 233
In short whenever one enters, gain or lose, this game will not stop until he has learnt. Your advise is therefore come one come all, if you lose you learn if you get a windfall, a bigger lesson awaits you. There is no way to not learn as long as you are playing
"Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."
Aguytrying
#126 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 10:34:56 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,023
streetwise wrote:
When one overestimates their intelligence especially if they enter the market and make some wins then they are preparing for a disaster.

Pray that you initially make losses so that you learn and your heart is strengthened then you will be in good position to make decisions and take positions. My advise


Success is a bad teacher. Very true with stocks
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
hisah
#127 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 1:52:03 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
Aguytrying wrote:
streetwise wrote:
When one overestimates their intelligence especially if they enter the market and make some wins then they are preparing for a disaster.

Pray that you initially make losses so that you learn and your heart is strengthened then you will be in good position to make decisions and take positions. My advise


Success is a bad teacher. Very true with stocks

The first question to the owners during a prospective business buyout or acquisition is: "Have you ever lost money?"

If the answer is No, the deal is off!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
target1360
#128 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 1:55:00 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 5/14/2014
Posts: 277
Location: nairobi
quick money made playing markets during bull period is often lost to the same markets during bears.

look at folks here who were very loud as they made super normal profits.Eventually they often make errors that cost them gains and capital.I need not give examples,they are well known.

The same is true with debt.It makes your spouse and friends think that you are a genius,till you make a miscalculation and you get burnt,badly.

*no offence*
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
Aguytrying
#129 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:10:06 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,023
hisah wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
streetwise wrote:
When one overestimates their intelligence especially if they enter the market and make some wins then they are preparing for a disaster.

Pray that you initially make losses so that you learn and your heart is strengthened then you will be in good position to make decisions and take positions. My advise


Success is a bad teacher. Very true with stocks

The first question to the owners during a prospective business buyout or acquisition is: "Have you ever lost money?"

If the answer is No, the deal is off!


word!
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#130 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:14:40 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,023
target1360 wrote:
quick money made playing markets during bull period is often lost to the same markets during bears.

look at folks here who were very loud as they made super normal profits.Eventually they often make errors that cost them gains and capital.I need not give examples,they are well known.

The same is true with debt.It makes your spouse and friends think that you are a genius,till you make a miscalculation and you get burnt,badly.

*no offence*


You are absolutely correct. The speculators in the forum have gone quiet. During a bull run, you can even start thinking you are a genius, like you cant lose and that you are almost always right.

Learning to live with a losing position of a company that one still believes in is one of the greatest assets a stock investor can have. Ignoring the market and the noise..

On that note been adding TPS . Ill soon double what i had before the fallout from above 35
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
PKoli
#131 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:24:25 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/10/2007
Posts: 1,587
Aguytrying wrote:
target1360 wrote:
quick money made playing markets during bull period is often lost to the same markets during bears.

look at folks here who were very loud as they made super normal profits.Eventually they often make errors that cost them gains and capital.I need not give examples,they are well known.

The same is true with debt.It makes your spouse and friends think that you are a genius,till you make a miscalculation and you get burnt,badly.

*no offence*


You are absolutely correct. The speculators in the forum have gone quiet. During a bull run, you can even start thinking you are a genius, like you cant lose and that you are almost always right.

Learning to live with a losing position of a company that one still believes in is one of the greatest assets a stock investor can have. Ignoring the market and the noise..

On that note been adding TPS . Ill soon double what i had before the fallout from above 35

@Aguy,

This is a buyers market. Serious investors don't listen to the market noises.
PKoli
#132 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:26:03 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/10/2007
Posts: 1,587
Aguytrying wrote:
target1360 wrote:
quick money made playing markets during bull period is often lost to the same markets during bears.

look at folks here who were very loud as they made super normal profits.Eventually they often make errors that cost them gains and capital.I need not give examples,they are well known.

The same is true with debt.It makes your spouse and friends think that you are a genius,till you make a miscalculation and you get burnt,badly.

*no offence*


You are absolutely correct. The speculators in the forum have gone quiet. During a bull run, you can even start thinking you are a genius, like you cant lose and that you are almost always right.

Learning to live with a losing position of a company that one still believes in is one of the greatest assets a stock investor can have. Ignoring the market and the noise..

On that note been adding TPS . Ill soon double what i had before the fallout from above 35

@Aguy,

This is a buyers market. Serious investors don't listen to the market noises.
VituVingiSana
#133 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:38:21 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 16,421
Location: Nairobi
Aguytrying wrote:
target1360 wrote:
quick money made playing markets during bull period is often lost to the same markets during bears.

look at folks here who were very loud as they made super normal profits.Eventually they often make errors that cost them gains and capital.I need not give examples,they are well known.

The same is true with debt.It makes your spouse and friends think that you are a genius,till you make a miscalculation and you get burnt,badly.

*no offence*


You are absolutely correct. The speculators in the forum have gone quiet. During a bull run, you can even start thinking you are a genius, like you cant lose and that you are almost always right.

Learning to live with a losing position of a company that one still believes in is one of the greatest assets a stock investor can have. Ignoring the market and the noise..

On that note been adding TPS . Ill soon double what i had before the fallout from above 35

Quality management.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
hisah
#134 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:08:16 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
target1360 wrote:
quick money made playing markets during bull period is often lost to the same markets during bears.

look at folks here who were very loud as they made super normal profits.Eventually they often make errors that cost them gains and capital.I need not give examples,they are well known.

The same is true with debt.It makes your spouse and friends think that you are a genius,till you make a miscalculation and you get burnt,badly.

*no offence*


You are absolutely correct. The speculators in the forum have gone quiet. During a bull run, you can even start thinking you are a genius, like you cant lose and that you are almost always right.

Learning to live with a losing position of a company that one still believes in is one of the greatest assets a stock investor can have. Ignoring the market and the noise..

On that note been adding TPS . Ill soon double what i had before the fallout from above 35

Quality management.

And risk management.

Experience always comes from managing capital during bear markets. Best traders and investors arise from these tough periods.

The golden handcuffs lessons at NSE have been on point as they've taught nice lessons to the bull joy-rider investors. I hope in the next bullish phase the lessons will sharpen those that have been taken to the cleaners in order for them to recoup those losses.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
chiaroscuro
#135 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:27:05 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 2/2/2012
Posts: 1,110
Location: Nairobi
So what happened here?
sparkly
#136 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2017 12:42:10 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 7,285
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
chiaroscuro wrote:
So what happened here?


Hapa watu walinyoroshwa....

Looking at Stocksmaster's purchases DTB 192, TPS 46 and HFC 31.25 with a target of doubling Capital gains... Then the converse happened.
Life is short. Live passionately.
bartum
#137 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2017 2:23:49 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/11/2010
Posts: 1,002
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
So what happened here?


Hapa watu walinyoroshwa....

Looking at Stocksmaster's purchases DTB 192, TPS 46 and HFC 31.25 with a target of doubling Capital gains... Then the converse happened.

Capital erosion for real
Jon Jones
#138 Posted : Monday, December 17, 2018 5:11:49 AM
Rank: New-farer


Joined: 9/11/2015
Posts: 95
Location: Thika
I just read this thread again. I couldn't help but notice that @stocksmaster's student beat him in his own game in 2014 and delivered 93% gain that year. I guess stocksmaster changed his strategy while his student retained the original lesson. Interesting reads from Stocksmaster and Smutagalll. I guess it proves that a theory or investment design is independent of who applies it. People change, facts don't. Respect to you guys
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