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Treasury Bills and Bonds
Ericsson
#1541 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2021 8:48:16 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
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maka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
EABL Bond, how do you rate it?


Still looking at it... Lakini from mapema you can get a better paper in the secondary market....smile


5 year paper
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#1542 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2021 8:50:27 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,071
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Angelica _ann wrote:
EABL Bond, how do you rate it?

Good if you have money and looking for diversification.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Impunity
#1543 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2021 12:57:55 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,305
Location: Masada
Ericsson wrote:
maka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
EABL Bond, how do you rate it?


Still looking at it... Lakini from mapema you can get a better paper in the secondary market....smile


5 year paper


Chase bank still fresh in my mind.
No for me...CBK anytime.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

maka
#1544 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2021 8:59:32 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,496
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
maka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
EABL Bond, how do you rate it?


Still looking at it... Lakini from mapema you can get a better paper in the secondary market....smile


5 year paper


Chase bank still fresh in my mind.
No for me...CBK anytime.


I also can never touch a corporate bond ever... Apart from the issue you have brought up selling them at the secondary market is a nightmare...
While we are here... These are the results for the October auction.



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VituVingiSana
#1545 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2021 12:06:37 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 17,637
Location: Nairobi
Absa breaches lending law in Sh18.8bn loan to EABL
https://www.businessdail...8bn-loan-to-eabl-3575148

They need 11bn to pay off an 11bn loan coming due in July 2022.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
maka
#1546 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2021 12:47:41 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,496
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Absa breaches lending law in Sh18.8bn loan to EABL
https://www.businessdail...8bn-loan-to-eabl-3575148

They need 11bn to pay off an 11bn loan coming due in July 2022.


Well... Well.

They should give us 13.50% 😁
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MatataMingi
#1547 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2021 11:27:49 AM
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Joined: 11/17/2009
Posts: 368
Location: Where everyone knows you
@ maka,
You were correct.
The reopened FXD1/2013/15 came in at 11.882%.
obiero
#1548 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2021 12:23:02 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,002
Location: nairobi
Impunity wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
maka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
EABL Bond, how do you rate it?


Still looking at it... Lakini from mapema you can get a better paper in the secondary market....smile


5 year paper


Chase bank still fresh in my mind.
No for me...CBK anytime.

Apples vs oranges. You cannot equate the two firms surely
COOP 5,500 ABP12.6; HF 30,000 ABP 5.90; KCB 7,500 ABP 36; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
AndyC
#1549 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:03:42 AM
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Posts: 149
Angelica _ann
#1550 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2021 3:15:04 PM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,874
EABL Bond oversubscribed 3.5X!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ericsson
#1551 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2021 3:50:40 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,071
Location: NAIROBI
Angelica _ann wrote:
EABL Bond oversubscribed 3.5X!

Weeh
Money looking for secure investments.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
MatataMingi
#1552 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:59:26 AM
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Location: Where everyone knows you
CBK announce the offer of 2 Bonds for the month of November.

- Reopened FXD1/2019/20 Coupon rate 12.873%

- New FXD1/2021/5 Coupon rate to be market determined. Probably between 11 & 12 %
Queen
#1553 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2021 11:32:57 AM
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Location: Britain
MatataMingi wrote:
CBK announce the offer of 2 Bonds for the month of November.

- Reopened FXD1/2019/20 Coupon rate 12.873%

- New FXD1/2021/5 Coupon rate to be market determined. Probably between 11 & 12 %


Meanwhile, the government is planning to unleash in November the mother of all infrastructure bonds worth Kshs.150B.
Ericsson
#1554 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:59:28 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,071
Location: NAIROBI
Queen wrote:
MatataMingi wrote:
CBK announce the offer of 2 Bonds for the month of November.

- Reopened FXD1/2019/20 Coupon rate 12.873%

- New FXD1/2021/5 Coupon rate to be market determined. Probably between 11 & 12 %


Meanwhile, the government is planning to unleash in November the mother of all infrastructure bonds worth Kshs.150B.


You mean the one of Kenya Roads Board
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Queen
#1555 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2021 10:05:43 AM
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Joined: 11/21/2018
Posts: 489
Location: Britain
Ericsson wrote:
Queen wrote:
MatataMingi wrote:
CBK announce the offer of 2 Bonds for the month of November.

- Reopened FXD1/2019/20 Coupon rate 12.873%

- New FXD1/2021/5 Coupon rate to be market determined. Probably between 11 & 12 %


Meanwhile, the government is planning to unleash in November the mother of all infrastructure bonds worth Kshs.150B.


You mean the one of Kenya Roads Board


Yes, that one.
My 2 cents
#1556 Posted : Friday, October 29, 2021 8:41:08 PM
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Joined: 6/2/2010
Posts: 693
People not interested in shares. Too many dogs. There are more dogs than winners in my portfolio. And if you look at our complete NSE list, the majority are dogs. There are dogs and DOGS.

example of dog (small caps) - DTBK, NMG
example of dog (BIG CAPS) - KPLC, Mumias, ARM, Deacons, HF, KQ, Uchumi
maka
#1557 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2021 9:11:49 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,496
Location: Nairobi
MatataMingi wrote:
CBK announce the offer of 2 Bonds for the month of November.

- Reopened FXD1/2019/20 Coupon rate 12.873%

- New FXD1/2021/5 Coupon rate to be market determined. Probably between 11 & 12 %



The implied yield for 1/19/20 is 13.18% … Will try bid its at 13.30 - 13.40.

Lets see how things go....:)
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maka
#1558 Posted : Friday, November 05, 2021 9:07:56 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,496
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Queen wrote:
MatataMingi wrote:
CBK announce the offer of 2 Bonds for the month of November.

- Reopened FXD1/2019/20 Coupon rate 12.873%

- New FXD1/2021/5 Coupon rate to be market determined. Probably between 11 & 12 %


Meanwhile, the government is planning to unleash in November the mother of all infrastructure bonds worth Kshs.150B.


You mean the one of Kenya Roads Board


Looks like it will be a shortish paper... Rather medium term instead of a long ended one.
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Queen
#1559 Posted : Friday, November 05, 2021 9:20:09 AM
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Joined: 11/21/2018
Posts: 489
Location: Britain
maka wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Queen wrote:
MatataMingi wrote:
CBK announce the offer of 2 Bonds for the month of November.

- Reopened FXD1/2019/20 Coupon rate 12.873%

- New FXD1/2021/5 Coupon rate to be market determined. Probably between 11 & 12 %


Meanwhile, the government is planning to unleash in November the mother of all infrastructure bonds worth Kshs.150B.


You mean the one of Kenya Roads Board


Looks like it will be a shortish paper... Rather medium term instead of a long ended one.


Less than 10 years Tenor?
maka
#1560 Posted : Friday, November 05, 2021 9:24:34 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,496
Location: Nairobi
Queen wrote:
maka wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Queen wrote:
MatataMingi wrote:
CBK announce the offer of 2 Bonds for the month of November.

- Reopened FXD1/2019/20 Coupon rate 12.873%

- New FXD1/2021/5 Coupon rate to be market determined. Probably between 11 & 12 %


Meanwhile, the government is planning to unleash in November the mother of all infrastructure bonds worth Kshs.150B.


You mean the one of Kenya Roads Board


Looks like it will be a shortish paper... Rather medium term instead of a long ended one.


Less than 10 years Tenor?



Heard 6....
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