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Embakasi Ranching-Ruai plots
madammary
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:23:15 PM
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Anyone who knows the history of the land and ownership status of MOTHER TITLES of the parcels of land there and whether there are any issues with the land. I fear a syokimau in RUAI.
shonagal
#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:33:40 PM
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There is a kamzee there who's name is Mwangi Thuita who thinks Embakasi ranch is his personal property and the mother title(s)belongs to him. To him the shareholders do not deserve individual titles and they live in houses built in their plots at his own mercy. They have no real claims to the plots they've built in, as what they have are share certificates, which Mwangi Thuita seems to think are not proof that a certain plot with a certain plot number as indicated in the certificate belongs to a shareholder. A share just mean you could be allocated a plot anywhere after your plot has been given to someone else(double, triple allocation etc). He also believes that once you've bought land in Ruai you should guard it the way you would guard a rice paddy against birds eating the rice or put some structure to stake your claim and show that you really own the land.
He is the Chairman and this are some of his qualifications:
1.Former Stooge and Sycophant of the late Muhuri Muchiri(Former Embakasi MP).
2.Illiterate
3.Self appointed Kikuyu elder.
4. Small time Mafioso
....AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE.
madammary
#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:27:43 PM
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Imagine that Kamzee said he would not just watch as the Former Nairobi Mayor attempt take the piece of meat(chairmanship) out of his mouth after his hired goons descended on Dick Waweru with blows during a shareholders meeting to elect new Directors and Chairman of the Embakasi Ranching Company. Those are the kind of people at the helm in the Company.
tassia
#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:40:10 PM
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If you have never seen heartless men, trying dealing with Embakasi Ranching. I guess shareholders of Embakasi Ranching knows more than many others what impunity means. There were reports that one of the Land owned by Embakasi Ranching had issues. It was Block 136. This is the time for people to get the truth.
josiah33
#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:33:05 AM
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Where exactly is block 136 in ruai embakasi ranch.
mlennyma
#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:42:47 AM
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And nowadays if you have an idle plot in tassia,you can be threatened with death to flee.i just fear nairobi land.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
maina20
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:45:14 AM
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shonagal wrote:
There is a kamzee there who's name is Mwangi Thuita who thinks Embakasi ranch is his personal property and the mother title(s)belongs to him. To him the shareholders do not deserve individual titles and they live in houses built in their plots at his own mercy. They have no real claims to the plots they've built in, as what they have are share certificates, which Mwangi Thuita seems to think are not proof that a certain plot with a certain plot number as indicated in the certificate belongs to a shareholder. A share just mean you could be allocated a plot anywhere after your plot has been given to someone else(double, triple allocation etc). He also believes that once you've bought land in Ruai you should guard it the way you would guard a rice paddy against birds eating the rice or put some structure to stake your claim and show that you really own the land.
He is the Chairman and this are some of his qualifications:
1.Former Stooge and Sycophant of the late Muhuri Muchiri(Former Embakasi MP).
2.Illiterate
3.Self appointed Kikuyu elder.
4. Small time Mafioso
....AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE.

the bitter truth is, they closed the membership, and anybody who buys land is issued with a 'non member'' certificate of ownership, just to ensure that you never get to participate in the elections at AGM. if u buy a plot and be lucky enough not to be re-located after a year, its always viable to develop it, coz any willing buyer with more cash will be allocated the same plot, and once u go to their board, they relocate you to kilimambogo...u lose on value like 100times!
..desire to succeed is always fighting with fear of failure..
josiah33
#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:48:02 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
And nowadays if you have an idle plot in tassia,you can be threatened with death to flee.i just fear nairobi land.

i thought it was only in Ruai that this happens. Who is going to save us?
josiah33
#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:53:11 AM
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maina20 wrote:
shonagal wrote:
There is a kamzee there who's name is Mwangi Thuita who thinks Embakasi ranch is his personal property and the mother title(s)belongs to him. To him the shareholders do not deserve individual titles and they live in houses built in their plots at his own mercy. They have no real claims to the plots they've built in, as what they have are share certificates, which Mwangi Thuita seems to think are not proof that a certain plot with a certain plot number as indicated in the certificate belongs to a shareholder. A share just mean you could be allocated a plot anywhere after your plot has been given to someone else(double, triple allocation etc). He also believes that once you've bought land in Ruai you should guard it the way you would guard a rice paddy against birds eating the rice or put some structure to stake your claim and show that you really own the land.
He is the Chairman and this are some of his qualifications:
1.Former Stooge and Sycophant of the late Muhuri Muchiri(Former Embakasi MP).
2.Illiterate
3.Self appointed Kikuyu elder.
4. Small time Mafioso
....AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE.

the bitter truth is, they closed the membership, and anybody who buys land is issued with a 'non member'' certificate of ownership, just to ensure that you never get to participate in the elections at AGM. if u buy a plot and be lucky enough not to be re-located after a year, its always viable to develop it, coz any willing buyer with more cash will be allocated the same plot, and once u go to their board, they relocate you to kilimambogo...u lose on value like 100times!

and if you are a new OCPD, Chief, DO or church leader you will most likely be bought by giving you a plot just so you keep a blind eye to everything that's happening around you.
josiah33
#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:54:56 AM
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maina20 wrote:
shonagal wrote:
There is a kamzee there who's name is Mwangi Thuita who thinks Embakasi ranch is his personal property and the mother title(s)belongs to him. To him the shareholders do not deserve individual titles and they live in houses built in their plots at his own mercy. They have no real claims to the plots they've built in, as what they have are share certificates, which Mwangi Thuita seems to think are not proof that a certain plot with a certain plot number as indicated in the certificate belongs to a shareholder. A share just mean you could be allocated a plot anywhere after your plot has been given to someone else(double, triple allocation etc). He also believes that once you've bought land in Ruai you should guard it the way you would guard a rice paddy against birds eating the rice or put some structure to stake your claim and show that you really own the land.
He is the Chairman and this are some of his qualifications:
1.Former Stooge and Sycophant of the late Muhuri Muchiri(Former Embakasi MP).
2.Illiterate
3.Self appointed Kikuyu elder.
4. Small time Mafioso
....AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE.

the bitter truth is, they closed the membership, and anybody who buys land is issued with a 'non member'' certificate of ownership, just to ensure that you never get to participate in the elections at AGM. if u buy a plot and be lucky enough not to be re-located after a year, its always viable to develop it, coz any willing buyer with more cash will be allocated the same plot, and once u go to their board, they relocate you to kilimambogo...u lose on value like 100times!

and if you are a new OCPD, Chief, DO or church leader you will most likely be bought by giving you a plot just so you keep a blind eye to everything that's happening around you.
josiah33
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:59:14 AM
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They are not keen on issuing titles because once they issue them they have no control anymore. It would mean their manipulations and hold on the land would come to an end and that's what scares them.
maina20
#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:13:37 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
They are not keen on issuing titles because once they issue them they have no control anymore. It would mean their manipulations and hold on the land would come to an end and that's what scares them.

Sad Sad Sad its a time bomb.....imagine they literally pocket transfer fees.. eti stamp duty. thats why they cant issue titles. otherwise GK will take the taxes. my worry is, with the new katiba and a new gava in future, things might turn like syokimau..... and u will be issued with a lease cert with millions of outstanding rates on top. or those guys can take loans with the original deed and auctioneers will come calling...Sad Sad Sad ..
..desire to succeed is always fighting with fear of failure..
josiah33
#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:51:00 PM
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Why do councils take rates from people even when the land has issues or ownership is disputed?
mlennyma
#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:14:18 PM
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Why are you surprised?they even charge sewer where it doesnt exist.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
majimaji
#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:11:21 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Why are you surprised?they even charge sewer where it doesnt exist.


@Mle...

Sewage is the job of Nairobi water co, not kanjo
madammary
#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:27:21 PM
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majimaji wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Why are you surprised?they even charge sewer where it doesnt exist.


@Mle...

Sewage is the job of Nairobi water co, not kanjo

that's right, sewerage services are offered by the Nairobi Water and Sewerage Company.
madammary
#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:48:03 PM
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talking of sewage reminds me of the city council land bought from embakasi ranching company in the area that's now under the management of Nairobi Water Company. The land is earmarked for expansion of sewerage pond area and that piece of land has been used to mint money from people the syokimau way. First they pretend they are settling squatters there and later on they start selling to other land hungry people who are issued with fake certificates. a plot is sold to more than 10 people: you buy a plot and once u fence, some youths steal your posts and sell them and the next day the same plot is sold to someone else. All this under the patronage of some politicians working together with their cronies to enrich themselves. Of late there are people subdividing land even in the area where the treatment ponds already exist, on the area between the ponds and the river that joins nairobi river, that space that the discharge channels from the ponds to the river are located. they say they have authority from some big man in the lands ministry and some big person in government. is this the kenya we want?
anika66
#18 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:31:49 PM
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Kenyans its time to wake up. This business of buying land certificates from ranching companies and proceeding to invest millions of shillings without obtaining proper title deeds should stop. Doing a due diligence research is the first step towards owning a piece of land. Over the years, I have operated on the basis that if it does not pass the due diligence test, its not for me. Hence I have kept off all this mad rush to acquire a plot at whatever expense in and around nairobi. I urge all of those who are interested in real estate investments to read Robert Kiyosaki book titled ' The real book of real estate. He urges us to treat real estate investments the way we treat a real business, we must do a business plan, have principles to go by, gather a professional team of accountants, valuers, lawyers, architects etc. In kenya we take land issues in a 'kienyeji way'. Lets learn from Siokimau and move on
Keeping it all in the family
madammary
#19 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:12:13 AM
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josiah33 wrote:
Where exactly is block 136 in ruai embakasi ranch.

i read in businessdaily sometimes back about a block 136 in ruai-embakasi ranch being Government land and i also wonder where exactly block 136 is.
majimaji
#20 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:19:58 AM
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@ Madammary, please name names. It can save people from being swindled around the Sewage plant.
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