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CS Matiang'i...Kenya's Magufului?
mkenyan
#121 Posted : Monday, July 03, 2017 8:20:59 PM
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murchr wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
We got to be practical for heavens sake!

A CS should not be subjected to long and winding queues along with the general public.

There ought to have been some guidance in place formulated from the office of the boss to the sacked lady, directing her and the rest of staff that CSs be let go.

If there was one and she ignored it, she is on the wrong. If there wasnt any, then her higher ups are guilty of omission.

Matiang'i is entitled to complain of mistreatment. The action that KAA security takes as a result is their own.
I you ask me Matiang'i acted with restraint and decorum if he played along with the lady's directives and complained later.

Other CSs would go ballistic there and then - with the risk of complicating their case.


Quote:
Dr Matiang’i, she said, did not want to follow the queues and wanted special treatment though it was raining and other passengers were complaining.

She indicates that according to the security manual, Cabinet secretaries usually queue like normal passengers unless they have special passes which require them to put in place special arrangements before they arrive at the airport.

“Matiang’i never had any special passes as well as the people he had around him,” she says

“So I could not allow him in the airport without clearing at the screening check point.”



Whoever is complaining should go to court because the public will not help them.

why would they go to court when she's already in court?
murchr
#122 Posted : Monday, July 03, 2017 8:25:11 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
We got to be practical for heavens sake!

A CS should not be subjected to long and winding queues along with the general public.

There ought to have been some guidance in place formulated from the office of the boss to the sacked lady, directing her and the rest of staff that CSs be let go.

If there was one and she ignored it, she is on the wrong. If there wasnt any, then her higher ups are guilty of omission.

Matiang'i is entitled to complain of mistreatment. The action that KAA security takes as a result is their own.
I you ask me Matiang'i acted with restraint and decorum if he played along with the lady's directives and complained later.

Other CSs would go ballistic there and then - with the risk of complicating their case.


Quote:
Dr Matiang’i, she said, did not want to follow the queues and wanted special treatment though it was raining and other passengers were complaining.

She indicates that according to the security manual, Cabinet secretaries usually queue like normal passengers unless they have special passes which require them to put in place special arrangements before they arrive at the airport.

“Matiang’i never had any special passes as well as the people he had around him,” she says

“So I could not allow him in the airport without clearing at the screening check point.”



Whoever is complaining should go to court because the public will not help them.

why would they go to court when she's already in court?



Let her keep the battle there, what will Wanjiku in the streets do for her anyway? Her lawyer should know better on matters sub judice. Harassing Matiang'i is a crime by its self. He did not hire/fire her, the employer is well known.
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Ngalaka
#123 Posted : Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:05:07 AM
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Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
We got to be practical for heavens sake!

A CS should not be subjected to long and winding queues along with the general public.

There ought to have been some guidance in place formulated from the office of the boss to the sacked lady, directing her and the rest of staff that CSs be let go.

If there was one and she ignored it, she is on the wrong. If there wasnt any, then her higher ups are guilty of omission.

Matiang'i is entitled to complain of mistreatment. The action that KAA security takes as a result is their own.
I you ask me Matiang'i acted with restraint and decorum if he played along with the lady's directives and complained later.

Other CSs would go ballistic there and then - with the risk of complicating their case.


Quote:
Dr Matiang’i, she said, did not want to follow the queues and wanted special treatment though it was raining and other passengers were complaining.

She indicates that according to the security manual, Cabinet secretaries usually queue like normal passengers unless they have special passes which require them to put in place special arrangements before they arrive at the airport.

“Matiang’i never had any special passes as well as the people he had around him,” she says

“So I could not allow him in the airport without clearing at the screening check point.”


I hear you.

But;

We must endeavour to separate issues;

1) The matter of how we as a Country should treat our CSs and other ranking office bearers.
2) The matter of Employer (KAA) and Employee (the lady) relationship.
3) The matter of CS Matiang’i noting an anomaly in the way KAA operations in relation to how a CS is to be treated and raising the issue with his peer.
4) The matter of the merits and demerits of the case if filed in Court.


In my post I hardly dealt with the issue of the lady’s situation.

Instead I focused on the need for CSs to be accorded VIP status in facilities such a Jkia.

If we don’t let politics cloud our view, we should appreciate that in society certain office holders deserve some recognition and the attendant privileges.

Hence my argument; - IF the higher ups at KAA have not provided that CSs be accorded VIP status, then they are at fault.

In such a case, it would be most unfair on their part, to scapegoat their shortcomings by victimising a lowly staff member.

It follows then, that IF what the lady is saying is accurate (as per the media presentation) then she is likely to win against KAA.

Obviously a rider here is in order, since we do not have all the facts, facets, mutations of the matter up to the point of the sack letter and what the letter gives as grounds for the sack.

Matiang’i pointed out an anomaly for which KAA should be ashamed, if they didn’t have a proper guidance to their entire ground staff on a matter like the one at hand.
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aemathenge
#124 Posted : Tuesday, July 04, 2017 11:28:17 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
We got to be practical for heavens sake!

A CS should not be subjected to long and winding queues along with the general public.

There ought to have been some guidance in place formulated from the office of the boss to the sacked lady, directing her and the rest of staff that CSs be let go.

If there was one and she ignored it, she is on the wrong. If there wasnt any, then her higher ups are guilty of omission.

Matiang'i is entitled to complain of mistreatment. The action that KAA security takes as a result is their own.
I you ask me Matiang'i acted with restraint and decorum if he played along with the lady's directives and complained later.

Other CSs would go ballistic there and then - with the risk of complicating their case.


Quote:
Dr Matiang’i, she said, did not want to follow the queues and wanted special treatment though it was raining and other passengers were complaining.

She indicates that according to the security manual, Cabinet secretaries usually queue like normal passengers unless they have special passes which require them to put in place special arrangements before they arrive at the airport.

“Matiang’i never had any special passes as well as the people he had around him,” she says

“So I could not allow him in the airport without clearing at the screening check point.”


I hear you.

But;

We must endeavour to separate issues;

1) The matter of how we as a Country should treat our CSs and other ranking office bearers.
2) The matter of Employer (KAA) and Employee (the lady) relationship.
3) The matter of CS Matiang’i noting an anomaly in the way KAA operations in relation to how a CS is to be treated and raising the issue with his peer.
4) The matter of the merits and demerits of the case if filed in Court.


In my post I hardly dealt with the issue of the lady’s situation.

Instead I focused on the need for CSs to be accorded VIP status in facilities such a Jkia.

If we don’t let politics cloud our view, we should appreciate that in society certain office holders deserve some recognition and the attendant privileges.

Hence my argument; - IF the higher ups at KAA have not provided that CSs be accorded VIP status, then they are at fault.

In such a case, it would be most unfair on their part, to scapegoat their shortcomings by victimising a lowly staff member.

It follows then, that IF what the lady is saying is accurate (as per the media presentation) then she is likely to win against KAA.

Obviously a rider here is in order, since we do not have all the facts, facets, mutations of the matter up to the point of the sack letter and what the letter gives as grounds for the sack.

Matiang’i pointed out an anomaly for which KAA should be ashamed, if they didn’t have a proper guidance to their entire ground staff on a matter like the one at hand.


Until I can think of a better word to pigeon hole the sentiments in your post, HOGWASH will have to do.
Ngalaka
#125 Posted : Tuesday, July 04, 2017 2:56:41 PM
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hamburglar
#126 Posted : Tuesday, July 04, 2017 4:22:35 PM
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Watu wapange line bwana. It's really that simple.
Ngalaka
#127 Posted : Tuesday, July 04, 2017 5:01:49 PM
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hamburglar wrote:
Watu wapange line bwana. Its really that simple.

This is the main argument that I have an issue with.
I would even be willing to concede most of the other aspects, but this one - that CS dont deserve to be accorded VIP status at facilities such as Jkia.

Just who do we suppose so deserves!
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mkenyan
#128 Posted : Tuesday, July 04, 2017 6:01:06 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Watu wapange line bwana. Its really that simple.

This is the main argument that I have an issue with.
I would even be willing to concede most of the other aspects, but this one - that CS dont deserve to be accorded VIP status at facilities such as Jkia.

Just who do we suppose so deserves!

they are not some demi-gods. they are our servants. that is something you seem not to get treating the cs as some demi-gods that automatically require special treatment. thing is, there are instances where they (and a host of others) need to be accorded vip treatment at the airport and that is provided for by kaa and from what the lady says, in that instance they are given passes that enable that.
hamburglar
#129 Posted : Tuesday, July 04, 2017 6:15:25 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Watu wapange line bwana. Its really that simple.

This is the main argument that I have an issue with.
I would even be willing to concede most of the other aspects, but this one - that CS dont deserve to be accorded VIP status at facilities such as Jkia.

Just who do we suppose so deserves!


Leaders. World leaders and obvious local leaders like the president, DP (I hate that guy), akina Raila and his four principals or whatever they are called. Kila MTU mwingine apange line kama raia wengine. It's not that big of a deal queuing really but Africans have this sense of self importance and want to be treated as VIPs even when they really don't deserve that VIP status. Just shut the f*** up and queue up, what's the big deal? If Biden can take the train every weekend from DC to his home in Delaware why can't a mere CS just line up for 10 minutes at most?

I would give a story of the governor of the state I used to live in when I was in the states but that would be exposing myself too much. That guy is comically down to earth. He pulls some stunts that make people endear to him even more. Just a run of the mill guy, completely grounded.

Justin Tradeau walks around in malls taking selfies with people and he is the PM of Canada. It's only in Africa that a mere MP wants to be escorted by 10 siren blaring chase cars, inconveniencing everybody else on the road just so he can get to parliament quickly to sleep. Useless people.
Ngalaka
#130 Posted : Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:01:58 PM
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Enough of the ‘liberal paradise’ theorising and fantasies, let’s do some reality check.

Let’s make some things clear though, security checks are fine, but queuing with the general public!!

So;
How do we treat visiting CS from other Countries?
How do we treat Ambassadors representing their countries in Kenya?
How do we treat; CJ & DCJ, Speakers of N.A & Senate, Raila, Kalonzo under normal circumstances as opposed to this time of electioneering?

What is your own observation in practical terms in relation to these issues, and don’t cite peculiar and out of the ordinary stories about some place else, where supposedly everything is nice and dandy, even though we are aware they also have their own issues. And for the record when Hilary Clinton came here, and Condi before her, they were accorded royalty status. Not only was Hotel interconti inaccessible, even the adjacent roads were out of bounds – so dont tell us about demi-gods while citing USA as the Angel model.

Back to our experiences, once I had occasion to witness a case where the TZ minister for finance was transiting Jkia to Europe.
Kenya govt protocol fellows were falling over themselves to enchant him as they led and hosted him at the Govt facility – VIP lounge - at Jkia. At hand also to receive him and keep him company till his onward boarding time was the TZ Ambassador here, whose entry into the airport secure areas was facilitated all the way up to the boarding gate at the international departure terminals – even though he was not a passenger himself.

How then do we suppose the US Ambassador is treated here and elsewhere in the world.

Ambassadors ordinarily report to CS Foreign affairs as their immediate boss – i.e Kenyan diplomats out there report to Amina.

How does it work when a Kenyan CS goes to Jkia to meet a visiting CS from UK!!!
Ours has to queue while the foreign one’s way is smoothed, isn’t it!
Or probably ours can ‘ride’ in the flow paved for the foreigner!!

Tuwachane na that ultra-liberal mindset, long on theories and very short on practicality.

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Angelica _ann
#131 Posted : Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:17:18 PM
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Just seen Kalonzo being driven on the wrong side as he enters Wilson Airport, you wonder why?
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hamburglar
#132 Posted : Wednesday, July 05, 2017 6:30:13 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Enough of the ‘liberal paradise’ theorising and fantasies, let’s do some reality check.

Let’s make some things clear though, security checks are fine, but queuing with the general public!!

So;
How do we treat visiting CS from other Countries?
How do we treat Ambassadors representing their countries in Kenya?
How do we treat; CJ & DCJ, Speakers of N.A & Senate, Raila, Kalonzo under normal circumstances as opposed to this time of electioneering?

What is your own observation in practical terms in relation to these issues, and don’t cite peculiar and out of the ordinary stories about some place else, where supposedly everything is nice and dandy, even though we are aware they also have their own issues. And for the record when Hilary Clinton came here, and Condi before her, they were accorded royalty status. Not only was Hotel interconti inaccessible, even the adjacent roads were out of bounds – so dont tell us about demi-gods while citing USA as the Angel model.

Back to our experiences, once I had occasion to witness a case where the TZ minister for finance was transiting Jkia to Europe.
Kenya govt protocol fellows were falling over themselves to enchant him as they led and hosted him at the Govt facility – VIP lounge - at Jkia. At hand also to receive him and keep him company till his onward boarding time was the TZ Ambassador here, whose entry into the airport secure areas was facilitated all the way up to the boarding gate at the international departure terminals – even though he was not a passenger himself.

How then do we suppose the US Ambassador is treated here and elsewhere in the world.

Ambassadors ordinarily report to CS Foreign affairs as their immediate boss – i.e Kenyan diplomats out there report to Amina.

How does it work when a Kenyan CS goes to Jkia to meet a visiting CS from UK!!!
Ours has to queue while the foreign one’s way is smoothed, isn’t it!
Or probably ours can ‘ride’ in the flow paved for the foreigner!!

Tuwachane na that ultra-liberal mindset, long on theories and very short on practicality.



We give visitors vip treatment because they are here for a reason. They are here as our visitor and we want to make them feel comfortable. It's the same thing when a guest comes to your house, you offer them refreshments, some tea, soda, juice maybe, you try to make them feel at home. It's just good social etiquette and it makes your relationship better. They are most likely here for a good reason and they are depending on us to guide them.

When Amina is going to receive some dignitary from a foreign country then that's ok to accord her VIP treatment because she is on national duty, she is at work serving the country. But if she is just going to Dubai to relax with her husband for a week then she needs to panga line like everybody else.

Matiangi was probably heading home to go eat matoke and sleep. Why does he need to cut in line and be served first? It's not like the matoke can't be thrown in the microwave if he is a little late for dinner.
What's the hurry for?
harrydre
#133 Posted : Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:29:29 PM
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C.S's are serving the public not personal matters, more reason they deserve VIP treatment watumikie wakenya. Matiang'i is a hardworking CS and deserves more respect. ama mnataka even Ouru to queue up? kwendenio!
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hamburglar
#134 Posted : Wednesday, July 05, 2017 11:00:19 PM
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harrydre wrote:
C.S's are serving the public not personal matters, more reason they deserve VIP treatment watumikie wakenya. Matiang'i is a hardworking CS and deserves more respect. ama mnataka even Ouru to queue up? kwendenio!


Even teachers are serving the public and not personal matters. I know a lot of hardworking teachers who deserve respect. Should they be accorded VIP status as well? If it's a question of according people who serve Kenya VIP status, there is a lot of hardworking people who deserve respect. VIP treatment for everybody then.
Nandwa
#135 Posted : Saturday, July 08, 2017 11:49:20 AM
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FundamentAli
#136 Posted : Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:11:15 PM
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I have a question. Who should be accorded VIP treatment? As far as I know, both the President and his deputy drive into the apron at the airport (except when the President handed over power). Is it the CJ, Speakers and first lady only?
Ngalaka
#137 Posted : Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:21:14 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
I have a question. Who should be accorded VIP treatment? As far as I know, both the President and his deputy drive into the apron at the airport (except when the President handed over power). Is it the CJ, Speakers and first lady only?

Kwanza fafanua the kind of or level of VIP treatment you are looking at.

In this discussion, it is about VIP treatment that merely exempts one from having to queue along with every other person.

While at it visualise some of the long queues you see at Jkia - outside on the pavement for persons who wish to access the check-in counters for one reason or another.
Think also of officers such The Police IG, KDF top heads etc
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Swenani
#138 Posted : Saturday, July 08, 2017 2:00:13 PM
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If the airport security manual clearly states that no cabinet secretary should be accorded VIP treatment except when prior arrangements have been made, they should follow the procedures. Do we want security personnel at the airport to be making exemptions based on their own personal judgement?
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Ngalaka
#139 Posted : Saturday, July 08, 2017 3:46:43 PM
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Swenani wrote:
If the airport security manual clearly states that no cabinet secretary should be accorded VIP treatment except when prior arrangements have been made, they should follow the procedures. Do we want security personnel at the airport to be making exemptions based on their own personal judgement?

No, we want a proper guidance for the staff to be in place - assuming that it is not the case currently.
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aemathenge
#140 Posted : Saturday, July 08, 2017 4:20:41 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
If the airport security manual clearly states that no cabinet secretary should be accorded VIP treatment except when prior arrangements have been made, they should follow the procedures. Do we want security personnel at the airport to be making exemptions based on their own personal judgement?

No, we want a proper guidance for the staff to be in place - assuming that it is not the case currently.

One of my mother's favorite saying goes: "God works in mysterious ways."

Cabinet Secretary Daktari Matiang'i is not only about to find out the security rationale behind being asked to line up like everybody else, but he is also going to be in charge of the Cabinet Docket that ENFORCES that security rationale.

Personally, I will go with my brother's favorite saying, however. "Shit Happens....."
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